Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!bcyclone04.am1.xlned.com!bcyclone04.am1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; 'problem?': 0.07; 'check.': 0.09; 'creighton': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'strange,': 0.16; 'subject:OOP': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'laura': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; 'cloud': 0.20; "aren't": 0.22; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'code,': 0.23; 'code.': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'clever': 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'language.': 0.32; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; "isn't": 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'mark': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'design,': 0.61; 'our': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'person.': 0.70; 'lives': 0.72; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'subject:Classic': 0.84; 'ample': 0.93; 'hands': 0.96 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Classic OOP in Python Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 23:27:48 +0100 References: <23b2fae3-91d5-486b-9898-78b34bee486f@googlegroups.com> <16dc8c92-50e3-4fc8-ae25-cbc5b13e8971@googlegroups.com><87eglaqdca.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <201506172209.t5HM9eBH001218@fido.openend.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-183-3.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: <201506172209.t5HM9eBH001218@fido.openend.se> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1434580099 news.xs4all.nl 2912 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37580 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl X-Received-Bytes: 3583 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1658287042 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:92787 On 17/06/2015 23:09, Laura Creighton wrote: > > ps -- Marko, we have ample evidence that you are an extremely clever > person. But the purpose of TTD is not to make clever code, but > wise code. TTD in the hands of a fool will never produce that. > But how else do you have to check that your design, while clever > isn't _too damn clever_? Aren't you plagued with that problem? I am > and TDD is the best thing I ever learned to keep that tendancy I have > to write too clever code in check. > Strange, I see no such evidence, just a person who lives firmly in cloud cuckoo land. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence