Path: csiph.com!goblin1!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed1.swip.net!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.027 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:reference': 0.16; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; '2015': 0.20; 'aspect': 0.22; 'complete,': 0.22; 'wondering': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; '14,': 0.27; 'said,': 0.27; 'about.': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.30; 'message- id:@gmail.com': 0.34; "isn't": 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'monday,': 0.36; 'subject:" ': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'expect': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'missing': 0.37; 'anything': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; "didn't": 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'behavior': 0.61; 'more': 0.63; 'talking': 0.67; 'received:89': 0.80; 'batchelder': 0.84; 'utc-4,': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Akira Li <4kir4.1i@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Terminology: "reference" versus "pointer" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 23:32:06 +0300 References: <1a1a1f6a-27ce-4c1b-807a-43eabaa04abb@googlegroups.com> <04ca9d7c-d02b-4329-bd94-4d18d86b3edf@googlegroups.com> <87egi375wb.fsf@gmail.com> <87wpvu5h7f.fsf@gmail.com> <55f61e8c$0$1660$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <55f6333c$0$1636$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <55f6fcf7$0$1640$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4e340057-3a72-405f-82ef-51f865a97a18@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.169.229.68 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Gmrjjj20gnFZ0nIyrIc+KVfgq5E= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442262818 news.xs4all.nl 23828 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58525 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96604 Ned Batchelder writes: > On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 3:32:46 PM UTC-4, Akira Li wrote: >> Ned Batchelder writes: >> ... >> > What do you feel is missing from Steven's diagram? >> >> I don't feel anything missing because I don't expect the model to be >> more detailed. > > Akira, you said, "neither models are detailed enough to describe > meaningfully the behavior of Python code in the general case." > > I'm wondering what aspect of the code's behavior isn't captured > in this model? I know you didn't expect it to be complete, but I'm > not sure what you think is missing. > I don't understand what you are talking about.