Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:module': 0.04; 'api.': 0.05; 'attribute': 0.07; 'received:verizon.net': 0.07; 'terry': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'attributes,': 0.09; 'executed': 0.09; 'mutable': 0.09; 'prevents': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'am,': 0.12; 'argument': 0.15; 'bugs,': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'extension': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'of.': 0.18; 'that?': 0.18; 'jan': 0.19; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'module': 0.26; 'code': 0.26; 'import': 0.27; 'language.': 0.28; "i'm": 0.28; 'constant': 0.29; 'generally': 0.30; 'error': 0.30; 'implementing': 0.32; 'familiar': 0.32; 'modules': 0.32; 'implement': 0.32; 'there': 0.33; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.34; 'hi,': 0.34; 'leaves': 0.34; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'run': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'using': 0.37; 'necessary.': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'useful': 0.38; 'should': 0.38; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'called': 0.40; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'due': 0.66; 'outside.': 0.84; 'subject:Read': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Read-only attribute in module Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:15:45 -0500 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-74-109-121-73.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1328814988 news.xs4all.nl 6982 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33261 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:20097 On 2/9/2012 6:43 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: > Hi, > > I'm implementing Python 3 extension using the Python C API. I am > familiar with defining new types, implementing get/set for > attributes, etc. > > I'm wondering, is there any mean to implement attribute in module > scope which is read-only? Not that I know of. Python intentionally leaves modules mutable even after the code has executed so they can be monkey-patched from outside. The argument for is that it is unusual to do so but sometimes very useful and necessary. The main argument against is that it prevents optimizations that would make code in modules run faster. > import xyz print(xyz.flag) # OK > xyz.flag = 0 # error due to no write access Why prevent that? If you called it 'FLAG', that would indicate that it is a constant that should not be changed. While Python make some effort to prevent bugs, it is generally a 'consenting adults' language. -- Terry Jan Reedy