Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!bcyclone04.am1.xlned.com!bcyclone04.am1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'creighton': 0.09; 'obey': 0.09; 'received:openend.se': 0.09; 'received:theraft.openend.se': 0.09; 'missed': 0.15; 'wed,': 0.15; '>on': 0.16; '>they': 0.16; '>to': 0.16; 'cc:addr:lac': 0.16; 'cc:addr:openend.se': 0.16; 'did.': 0.16; 'foul': 0.16; 'from:addr:lac': 0.16; 'from:addr:openend.se': 0.16; 'from:name:laura creighton': 0.16; 'message-id:@fido.openend.se': 0.16; 'nose': 0.16; 'received:fido': 0.16; 'received:fido.openend.se': 0.16; 'to:addr:pearwood.info': 0.16; "to:name:steven d'aprano": 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'laura': 0.18; 'script.': 0.18; "shouldn't": 0.18; '2015': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'cc:2**1': 0.22; 'so.': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'seems': 0.23; 'received:se': 0.29; 'ago': 0.29; 'cc:no real name:2**1': 0.29; 'anywhere': 0.30; "we're": 0.30; 'posts': 0.30; 'another': 0.32; 'point': 0.33; 'apply,': 0.33; 'european': 0.33; 'tue,': 0.34; 'ones': 0.35; 'python.org': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'list,': 0.36; "wasn't": 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.37; 'doing': 0.38; 'no,': 0.38; 'why': 0.39; 'some': 0.40; 'avoid': 0.61; 'entire': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'matter': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'fall': 0.66; 'articles': 0.67; 'dangerous': 0.70; 'article': 0.77; '*every': 0.84; 'actually,': 0.84; 'header:In-reply-to:1': 0.84; 'moves': 0.84; 'pointedly': 0.84; 'spite': 0.84; 'cutting': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=openend.se; s=default; t=1445352301; bh=1AHSCWjcFl1Lig27UgSfVkR9p9Balpv3zXa7+QlvF+g=; h=To:cc:From:Subject:In-reply-to:References:Date:From; b=X0WwW4/7WM5h15A4TRn3xEQ7XjX/AwpijsIDghqnav/KD7wMkiOzFLVleWgEk8DuX Ta/J/UbJbNBvf3imSpu/6zokfmsbht/AVxjMxabl58Sj7wlcynOq6JTCG1xl4O4MXe XlHfgCXoKPuRiSEP0dFvznjwSXeffysSn/X+i75Q= To: "Steven D'Aprano" cc: python-list@python.org, lac@openend.se From: Laura Creighton Subject: Re: Defamation In-reply-to: <56263cfe$0$1616$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <1454496840.1661921445200299637.JavaMail.httpd@webmail-50.iol.local> <56263cfe$0$1616$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Comments: In-reply-to "Steven D'Aprano" message dated "Wed, 21 Oct 2015 00:09:18 +1100." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <32019.1445352298.1@fido> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 16:44:58 +0200 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (theraft.openend.se [82.96.5.2]); Tue, 20 Oct 2015 16:45:01 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1445352315 news.xs4all.nl 23869 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42321 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl X-Received-Bytes: 5098 X-Received-Body-CRC: 589320098 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:97837 In a message of Wed, 21 Oct 2015 00:09:18 +1100, "Steven D'Aprano" writes: >On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 03:28 am, Laura Creighton wrote: > >> Actually, this one was part of a huge set of defaming articles sent a >> year ago we were requested to remove, and did. European Law may >> require us to do so. I checked, and this article wasn't one on >> our list, which is why we missed this one. >Today we're removing allegedly defaming posts because European law may or >may not apply (probably doesn't); tomorrow we're removing posts because >they fall foul of unreasonable laws anywhere in the world. No, we are removing them because we want to. >The point is, obeying laws that don't apply, even if well-meaning, opens us >to a dangerous precedent that we shouldn't go near. Pointedly not doing something you want to because it might make us obedient to some law we don't have to obey seems a matter of cutting off ones nose to spite one's face. >There's another reason to try very, very hard to avoid deleting archived >posts: until such time as python.org moves to Mailman3, deleting a single >posts breaks the permalinks for *every single post* for the entire month. No, I think we were smarter than that in the script. >Steven Laura