Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.031 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'utf-8': 0.07; 'skip:$ 20': 0.09; '-tkc': 0.16; 'accordingly,': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'keyerror': 0.16; 'utf8': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'parse': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; "skip:' 10": 0.31; 'exceptions': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'not.': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; 'subject:from': 0.34; 'add': 0.35; 'combination': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'first': 0.61; 'column.': 0.84; 'received:50.22': 0.84 Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 12:50:12 -0600 From: Tim Chase To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Guessing the encoding from a BOM In-Reply-To: References: <52d74063$0$29970$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tim.thechases.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: boston.accountservergroup.com: authenticated_id: tim@thechases.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1389898160 news.xs4all.nl 2833 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48010 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:64099 On 2014-01-17 05:06, Chris Angelico wrote: > > You might want to add the utf8 bom too: '\xEF\xBB\xBF'. > > I'd actually rather not. It would tempt people to pollute UTF-8 > files with a BOM, which is not necessary unless you are MS Notepad. If the intent is to just sniff and parse the file accordingly, I get enough of these junk UTF-8 BOMs at $DAY_JOB that I've had to create utility-openers much like Steven is doing here. It's particularly problematic for me in combination with csv.DictReader, where I go looking for $COLUMN_NAME and get KeyError exceptions because it wants me to ask for $UTF_BOM+$COLUMN_NAME for the first column. -tkc