Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'broken': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'definitions': 0.07; 'latter': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; '2.7': 0.14; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'thread?': 0.16; 'unicode.': 0.16; 'extensions': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'seems': 0.21; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'error': 0.23; '2.x': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'especially': 0.30; '3.x': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'anywhere': 0.35; 'convert': 0.35; 'form.': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; "didn't": 0.36; 'wrong': 0.37; 'desirable': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'subjectcharset:utf-8': 0.72; 'received:109': 0.72; 'horrible': 0.84; 'subject::': 0.85 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Robin Becker Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?B?J1N0cmHDn2UnICgnU3RyYXNzZScpIGFuZCBQeXRob24gMg==?= Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:51:42 +0000 References: <30dfa6f1-61b2-49b8-bc65-5fd18d498c38@googlegroups.com> <52D67873.2010502@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> <5d820037-44ad-4d8d-bb1b-4fb812fc876b@googlegroups.com> <52d72898$0$29970$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 109.174.168.73 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: <52d72898$0$29970$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1389869514 news.xs4all.nl 2975 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39962 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:64071 On 16/01/2014 00:32, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >Or are you saying thatwww.unicode.org is wrong about the definitions of >> >Unicode terms? > No, I think he is saying that he doesn't know Unicode anywhere near as > well as he thinks he does. The question is, will he cherish his > ignorance, or learn from this thread? I assure you that I fully understand my ignorance of unicode. Until recently I didn't even know that the unicode in python 2.x is considered broken and that str in python 3.x is considered 'better'. I can say that having made a lot of reportlab work in both 2.7 & 3.3 I don't understand why the latter seems slower especially since we try to convert early to unicode/str as a desirable internal form. Probably I have some horrible error going on(eg one of the C extensions is working in 2.7 and not in 3.3). -stupidly yrs- Robin Becker