Path: csiph.com!goblin3!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.astraweb.com!border5.a.newsrouter.astraweb.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.049 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.01; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'dst': 0.07; 'creighton': 0.09; 'differently.': 0.09; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'surrounded': 0.09; 'know;': 0.16; 'message-id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4.27': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:out3-smtp.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'laura': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.19; 'sep': 0.22; 'subject:skip:i 10': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; '14,': 0.27; 'transition': 0.27; 'supposed': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'rule': 0.33; 'quite': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'instead': 0.36; 'subject:" ': 0.36; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'received:10': 0.37; 'america': 0.37; 'received:66': 0.38; 'data': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'header:Message- Id:1': 0.61; 'design,': 0.61; 'mountain': 0.63; 'complete': 0.63; 'places': 0.64; 'subject:there': 0.66; 'winter': 0.66; 'north': 0.67; 'hour': 0.69; "'we": 0.84; 'springs': 0.84; 'subject:any': 0.84; 'belief': 0.91; 'forward,': 0.91; 'period.': 0.95; 'subject:Are': 0.95; 'story.': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=TfPkFDUpSZ+BUEfzcZwUP+4w02k=; b=WMNP6r 8eSBbgX9sm72+5vgFIbhAW/8D2bqMmAlJehiEgDknfx1BeizO/NFr+JfKEScOsIP J0YxGiW17rdvd3+9uwU1a/VodrhZGT6xedRaRVtqcB8GJL/6Z5RBjq9TL4Y2876s LwNS1relN6KkbsR6U9ZYViNzQHU3Qrn4Usk0Y= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=TfPkFDUpSZ+BUEf zcZwUP+4w02k=; b=jO0sl/xGG+uT9pvya0GHeTJC5Im3zkRQni2OdULWVD5Bh3K masbVbM07XroJiS6+raj0KnyRzJ8VZkFIF7N71dZ97uMd0AxXeVsntbsYT++VTIg lMkw0l3QmeBU755Gj/fdtQ00aC35DpXIqj2iL466QC6Vmgbcu442vIvCcQiQ= X-Sasl-Enc: DrBtE9wVySvI+tfSrKi88PPviZilYEOws1tCAeW3b+GG 1442259328 From: Random832 To: python-list@python.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-c76b43ce Subject: Re: [Datetime-SIG] Are there any "correct" implementations of tzinfo? Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 15:35:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: <201509140853.t8E8r99u007805@fido.openend.se> References: <1442085362.324875.381920729.5E7A6DCE@webmail.messagingengine.com> <201509131224.t8DCOXHO004891@fido.openend.se> <201509140853.t8E8r99u007805@fido.openend.se> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442259330 news.xs4all.nl 23720 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45256 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96593 On Mon, Sep 14, 2015, at 04:53, Laura Creighton wrote: > But this is not quite the complete story. In many (most?) places in > Saskatchewan, the rule is understood differently. Instead of 'we keep > to CST all year long' is is understood that 'we keep central time in > the winter and mountain time in the summer'. As far as I know, the position of the tzdata people is that while this belief is held almost everywhere that does not observe DST but is surrounded by places that do (I should know; I live in Indiana, which was such a place until 2006), almost nowhere does it have any formal legitimacy, and systems that use the data therefore, by design, will not actually generate "CST/MDT" timestamps. When exactly is this transition supposed to take place? At 2AM, Manitoba springs forward, but Alberta remains on MST for another hour - nowhere else in North America *but* Saskatchewan uses an offset of -06:00 for this hour-long period.