Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'does.': 0.07; 'framework.': 0.07; 'received:verizon.net': 0.07; 'terry': 0.07; 'unittest': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'presume': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'output': 0.10; 'am,': 0.12; 'converting': 0.15; 'harness,': 0.16; 'missing?': 0.16; 'podcast': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'unittests': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'alternate': 0.18; 'perl': 0.18; 'jan': 0.19; 'seems': 0.20; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; '(or': 0.22; 'versions': 0.23; 'joining': 0.23; 'format,': 0.24; "python's": 0.24; 'obviously': 0.25; 'tests': 0.25; 'compatible': 0.26; 'module': 0.26; 'testing': 0.26; 'otherwise.': 0.28; "skip:' 10": 0.29; 'url:)': 0.29; 'nobody': 0.31; "i've": 0.32; 'does': 0.32; 'modules': 0.32; 'there': 0.33; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'test': 0.34; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.34; 'running': 0.34; 'someone': 0.34; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'finished': 0.35; 'two': 0.36; 'received:org': 0.36; 'run': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'could': 0.38; 'useful': 0.38; 'url:org': 0.39; 'url:tv': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'simple': 0.61; 'world': 0.61; 'url:p': 0.62; 'results': 0.64; 'frank': 0.64; 'url:a': 0.65; 'tap': 0.67; 'url:show': 0.67; 'strange': 0.68; 'care': 0.71; 'learned': 0.73; 'numerous': 0.73; 'standardized': 0.84; 'within)': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Python and TAP Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:51:54 -0500 References: <4F2FC677.7020606@alien8.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-74-109-121-73.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 In-Reply-To: <4F2FC677.7020606@alien8.de> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1328561541 news.xs4all.nl 6946 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:32932 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:19908 On 2/6/2012 7:24 AM, Frank Becker wrote: > On 06.02.12 01:58, Matej Cepl wrote: >> I have just finished listening to the FLOSS Weekly podcast #200 >> (http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/200) on autotest, where I've learned= >> about the existence of TAP (http://testanything.org/). A standardizati= on >> of testing seems to be so obviously The Right Thing=E2=84=A2, that it = is strange >> that I don't see much related movement in the Python world (I know onl= y TAP is not about 'standardization of testing' but standardized=20 communication of test results between test modules and test harness.=20 Python's two stdlib test packages include both test-writing methods and=20 a test harness. They are compatible in the sense that doctests can be=20 run within the unittest framework. >> about http://git.codesimply.com/?p=3DPyTAP.git;a=3Dsummary or >> git://git.codesimply.com/PyTAP.git, which seems to be very very simple= >> and only producer). I presume PyTAP does something like converting (or rather, wrapping)=20 output from unittests to (or rather, within) the TAP format, which=20 includes wrapping in YAMLish. Or it provides alternate versions of the=20 numerous AssertXxx functions in unittest. This is useful for someone=20 running Python tests within a TAP harness, but not otherwise. >> What am I missing? Why nobody seems to care about joining TAP standard= ? The 'TAP standard' is what the Perl TAP module does. There is a=20 pre-draft for an IETF standard. You could ask why Perl people don't care = about joining the unittest 'standard'. --=20 Terry Jan Reedy