Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.074 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.85; '*S*': 0.00; '(especially': 0.07; 'exists.': 0.07; 'front-end': 0.07; 'python': 0.11; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'janssen': 0.16; 'language)': 0.16; 'mark,': 0.16; 'outputs': 0.16; 'wow,': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code,': 0.22; 'guys': 0.24; 'people,': 0.24; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'originally': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '(since': 0.31; '13,': 0.31; 'bunch': 0.31; 'remotely': 0.31; 'implemented': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'c++': 0.36; 'implement': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'list,': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'effective': 0.61; 'discuss': 0.62; 'offer': 0.62; "you'll": 0.62; 'show': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'relatively': 0.65; 'importantly,': 0.68; 'methodology': 0.68; 'theoretical': 0.74; 'serious': 0.97; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=X3RR5mxcA77SvfoElBee9QpZPiMM6axVcv9XFg5IY/w=; b=Y968l+xFGeh8oK8hfPh+X6lZJmtRhe0c03Me/y/NGiwzaAhCsULGwEfQcbut5y3uGy A53N18PO/XQ2RB+71o27pOExEHSrJ5u4bEtFX3Rox4ORokZfFvnYrmaNO+ciqakkOvtw i8pIEgLB4XP/EIS1P7Jnr7QIZMkcU4QexltOTe0BV2bMDqXrOlnV5uCvQZ0EsfZ/juk9 2pcBzriB1wFeYmo48B1DX0Fm94ZTFs9Yy47iEt2I4COFDnEq7/kNI9wUVIJxJsCX9d7L EihYteVz6XyDeQnDGBmDtyLFtbOYHZ5LZWgb4zCeJPBpUIpeuEVhqR3nP5ojGLOKrt7P Ccng== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.104.20 with SMTP id m20mr10623170vco.70.1365836150233; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:55:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5167F327.3030803@nedbatchelder.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 16:55:50 +1000 Subject: Re: Message passing syntax for objects | OOPv2 From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1365836153 news.xs4all.nl 2617 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59258 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:43505 On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Mark Janssen wrote: >> Mark, this proposal is out of place on a Python list, because it proposes an >> object methodology radically different from any that is implemented in >> Python now, or is even remotely likely to be implemented in Python in the >> future. > > Wow, you guys are a bunch of ninnies. I'm going to find some > theoretical folks.... Allow me to offer a serious suggestion: Just as C++ was originally implemented as a preprocessor that produced C code (Cfront), implement your language as a preprocessor that outputs Python (Pyfront?). Then you can explore your ideas relatively cheaply (since you don't have to implement a whole language) and portably (especially if you write your front-end in Python itself)... and, most importantly, you'll have *code* to show people, instead of half-baked theories. Get some real solid code, then start demonstrating how your new system is more expressive, or clearer, or what-have-you. It's much more effective when you can discuss something that actually exists. ChrisA