Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'value,': 0.03; 'immutable': 0.09; 'integers': 0.09; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'appropriate': 0.14; 'cares': 0.16; 'integer.': 0.16; 'labels,': 0.16; 'message-id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'naming': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4.27': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:out3-smtp.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'subject:reference': 0.16; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'object.': 0.22; 'sep': 0.22; 'references': 0.23; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'van': 0.26; '14,': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'cat': 0.29; 'feeds': 0.29; 'objects': 0.29; 'putting': 0.30; 'point': 0.33; 'next': 0.35; "isn't": 0.35; 'sometimes': 0.35; 'subject:" ': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'received:66': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'actually,': 0.84; 'daughter.': 0.84; 'neighbor': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=GsuKUJe748SZM5rgpqAO+NEH9MM=; b=PJt4fJ gcj+GCeNXJcnrCK2H9I9OBmlks9y9QoX62/VE/TYlpKqyKRI+FzSAs82qI42WfV4 kz48ACISVuqA4ZVcqggco7l99jcMIqBOoe23GyOU+O/b0S0hmq9lAlThkietpauB 1/54NAD11mBxDGN5jfrNRTbfST5hWEC5cvN08= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=GsuKUJe748SZM5r gpqAO+NEH9MM=; b=cUZ6a/0LE02Yt26wR/DohqF3fdhHfch1h7MLYRPePNIXbzZ OQPRCa6WMud2zLE8FiOn1zyefL+xY/479TFPWRdSLMNd+d9/XRU4VIPg4kjrOLW6 1R7UIi16Cdw3Xy3zbn/CUs/8Dcj+ExIoriFfcNtFbXEwyDU4KhlOPFPwbD2I= X-Sasl-Enc: iARST6z69+RIC5sV5kTecAKClTNIZwUHV4ZIxHdrgdEt 1442253720 From: Random832 To: python-list@python.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-c76b43ce Subject: Re: Terminology: "reference" versus "pointer" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 14:02:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <85mvws6z45.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <85io7g6xy4.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <85egi46wng.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <1a1a1f6a-27ce-4c1b-807a-43eabaa04abb@googlegroups.com> <04ca9d7c-d02b-4329-bd94-4d18d86b3edf@googlegroups.com> <87egi375wb.fsf@gmail.com> <87wpvu5h7f.fsf@gmail.com> <87pp1l6h9a.fsf@gmail.com> <1442187517.2372486.382584889.2ED1B071@webmail.messagingengine.com> <874mix5a63.fsf@gmail.com> <55f6fdd9$0$1640$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1442252093.231783.383350001.6CF3FF6F@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442253722 news.xs4all.nl 23794 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:50816 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96584 On Mon, Sep 14, 2015, at 13:51, Emile van Sebille wrote: > Actually, boxes with integers in them isn't the appropriate analogy. > Consider the naming of cats. My cat is known to me as Paddy. My next > door neighbor sometimes feeds her and is known to her as Stripes. The > cat also is known as kitty to my youngest daughter. The cat has no idea > what its name is, it just is and eats. So three labels, one object. > Putting the object in three boxes isn't right The point is that with immutable objects no-one cares if they are three objects with the same value, or three references to the same object. Your cat is not an integer.