Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.009 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'extends': 0.07; 'exist.': 0.09; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'message- id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4.27': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:out3-smtp.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'subject:reference': 0.16; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'to]': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'sep': 0.22; 'references': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; "doesn't": 0.26; '14,': 0.27; 'objects': 0.29; 'problem': 0.33; 'list,': 0.36; 'instead': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'subject:" ': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'received:66': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'represent': 0.38; 'easily': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'different': 0.63; 'within': 0.64; 'places': 0.64; 'from.': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=p+qptI8hOG37xhsVvEPIUFHS6A8=; b=XM82U+ SUbDXbgHfX2yJq3VHzD896wUMlDj98FJnnphsvIYDAWjLb8KNi0b8qf0/+ZlxneC aSi0jVT4bdyvo+D1bCK1zObgr+JEq4b86EvjTbmI0RsA/hKc9WWoQG8ejZtfpa78 HqXrTsqOeOTXDBeIiv/zaIIuKEjNOpQWRIg2M= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=p+qptI8hOG37xhs VvEPIUFHS6A8=; b=d8J2jOg44doXqc5Ryi74ToS2lm0jRSBofr+ydVygDCCrzGr cVnJO+Hk7ePgZhcYGlORkSIbgowWu1Jma2sBnf2WkkIbSd3Is6unZRqvgUdVnjRz hv3NMllU8WvfQPDiGwjeXlulrnryoASlOXcoeAPDJj7FcvPSc129lxF3jEjo= X-Sasl-Enc: 1/N0sXIPodlTRrZImdxX9G91VRxKm+YuMUroa/Z1cyWv 1442253630 From: Random832 To: python-list@python.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-c76b43ce Subject: Re: Terminology: "reference" versus "pointer" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 14:00:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87vbbc51zh.fsf@gmail.com> References: <85mvws6z45.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <85io7g6xy4.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <85egi46wng.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <1a1a1f6a-27ce-4c1b-807a-43eabaa04abb@googlegroups.com> <04ca9d7c-d02b-4329-bd94-4d18d86b3edf@googlegroups.com> <87egi375wb.fsf@gmail.com> <87wpvu5h7f.fsf@gmail.com> <87pp1l6h9a.fsf@gmail.com> <1442187517.2372486.382584889.2ED1B071@webmail.messagingengine.com> <874mix5a63.fsf@gmail.com> <1442243411.198925.383193481.6164EF4E@webmail.messagingengine.com> <87vbbc51zh.fsf@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442253638 news.xs4all.nl 23754 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47884 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96583 On Mon, Sep 14, 2015, at 13:45, Akira Li wrote: > [box + arrow pointing to] + object == parcel tag + object The problem is that if there are multiple namespaces, or if you've also got to include references from within other objects such as list, then you've got to write all that somehow on the parcel tag, instead of just having different places the arrows can start from. The box and arrow model easily extends to this, and the fact that no-one can make up their mind on what to *call* the thing the arrows represent doesn't mean they don't exist.