Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'modify': 0.07; 'paths': 0.07; 'inserts': 0.09; 'item,': 0.09; 'iterate': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'jan': 0.12; 'creates': 0.14; 'copied.': 0.16; 'deletes': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'silly': 0.16; 'essential': 0.16; 'modification': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'case.': 0.24; 'nearly': 0.26; 'second': 0.26; 'somewhere': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; 'code': 0.31; 'object.': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'two': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'needed': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'list,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'new': 0.61; 'name:': 0.61; 'received:173': 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'within': 0.65; 'effectively': 0.66; '4:00': 0.84; 'nagy': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: L[:] Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 15:23:17 -0500 References: <1389375507.21198.YahooMailBasic@web163801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <52D3AB3E.6050206@shopzeus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-254-207.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: <52D3AB3E.6050206@shopzeus.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1389644616 news.xs4all.nl 2849 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:57557 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63860 On 1/13/2014 4:00 AM, Laszlo Nagy wrote: > >> Unless L is aliased, this is silly code. > There is another use case. If you intend to modify a list within a for > loop that goes over the same list, then you need to iterate over a copy. > And this cannot be called an "alias" because it has no name: for i in somelist: creates a second reference to somelist that somewhere in the loop code has a name, so it is effectively an 'alias'. The essential point is that there are two access paths to the same object. > for idx,item in enumerate(L[:]): > # do something with L here, including modification The copy is only needed in the above if one inserts or deletes. But if one inserts or deletes more than one item, one nearly always does better to iterate through the original and construct a new list with new items added and old items not copied. -- Terry Jan Reedy