Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'completeness': 0.07; 'developer.': 0.07; 'puts': 0.07; 'string': 0.09; 'expectation': 0.09; 'received:155': 0.09; 'subject:skip:c 10': 0.09; 'developer': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; '*do': 0.16; 'attached,': 0.16; 'big,': 0.16; 'charging': 0.16; 'comparison.': 0.16; 'damages,': 0.16; 'disclaimers': 0.16; 'disclaimers,': 0.16; 'from:addr:jpmorgan.com': 0.16; 'janssen': 0.16; 'received:155.180': 0.16; 'received:155.180.234': 0.16; 'received:159': 0.16; 'received:159.53': 0.16; 'received:bankone.net': 0.16; 'received:exchad.jpmchase.net': 0.16; 'received:jpmchase.com': 0.16; 'received:jpmchase.net': 0.16; 'received:svr.bankone.net': 0.16; 'securities,': 0.16; 'tax.': 0.16; 'url:disclosures': 0.16; 'url:jpmorgan': 0.16; 'you*.': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'putting': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'separate': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'case.': 0.24; 'header:Received:8': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'possibility': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'court': 0.30; 'errors': 0.30; 'see,': 0.30; 'gives': 0.31; 'getting': 0.31; 'implicit': 0.31; 'piece': 0.31; 'publicly': 0.31; 'stands': 0.31; 'critical': 0.32; 'received:169.254': 0.32; 'supposed': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'says': 0.33; 'bugs': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'accuracy': 0.36; 'fees': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'responsible': 0.36; 'received:169': 0.37; 'so,': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'rather': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'is.': 0.60; 'free,': 0.61; 'course': 0.61; 'information,': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'taking': 0.65; 'income': 0.65; 'purchase': 0.65; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'it!': 0.67; 'promise': 0.68; 'subject': 0.69; 'legal': 0.71; 'online': 0.71; 'money': 0.72; 'sale': 0.75; 'all!': 0.84; 'difference.': 0.84; 'received:169.254.8': 0.84; 'standing': 0.84; 'subject:tool': 0.84; 'sue': 0.84 X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.1.3 sf3.jpmchase.com r3CJlntH010901 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jpmorgan.com; s=smtpout; t=1365796069; bh=MwifEotoSo+rOXsvaW1qiYq/lF48hjzV2FnENtCOauA=; h=From:To:CC:Subject:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Rwbf81OGfsKvR316EAh6ACEu5fqJbg0hpfExVzjUVg5d06LLz63AwcF8Z9giyeFeB PqBTmXYO32+nIGLVQxgVug8vpnu3t72G1R5GnIRwb/TyMwCLytm9c9w8M8hZwzLDCY 2TPFhgfXg2qP/vxOawTKA+uHNJZuMwdCmmNT/Hjg= From: "Prasad, Ramit" To: Mark Janssen Subject: RE: im.py: a python communications tool Thread-Topic: im.py: a python communications tool Thread-Index: AQHONPU8oIp2vYPKTkaAeca5LMBKppjNyjoAgAU2uZA= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 19:46:13 +0000 References: <48f984a0-7702-4cba-9021-06c3985646da@googlegroups.com> <5161f508$0$29995$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51637779.7020209@davea.name> <5163c578$0$29977$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.67.79.47] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DLP-FWD: Yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1365797923 news.xs4all.nl 2594 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33569 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:43481 Mark Janssen wrote:=0D=0A> >> It doesn't have to say so, if it's not chargi= ng any money -- there's no=0D=0A> >> expectation that you're getting anythi= ng at all!=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> > Of course there is=2E If Oprah Winfrey stands = up and publicly says that=0D=0A> > she's giving you a car, FOR FREE, no str= ings attached, and then gives you=0D=0A> > a piece of old bubblegum, you ha= ve standing to sue for breach of promise=2E=0D=0A> > If she gives you the c= ar, but puts it down as a *prize* rather than a=0D=0A> > gift, then there i= s a big, hefty string attached: income tax=2E=0D=0A> =0D=0A> But you see, t= here's the critical difference=2E First of all you're=0D=0A> making two er= rors in your comparison=2E Firstly, a *person* is saying=0D=0A> that she's= going to *do something for you*=2E She's making a promise=2E=0D=0A> If I = put a piece of software online -- you're taking it! That's #1=0D=0A> (!)= =0D=0A=0D=0ATheoretically isn't putting a piece of software "online" akin t= o=0D=0Apublishing it? Following that logic, then there is the possibility = =0D=0Aof arguing an implicit promise that the software does what it is =0D= =0Asupposed to=2E Any bugs would be the responsibility of the developer=2E = =0D=0A=0D=0AOn a separate note, even if the judgment supports your view=0D= =0Aand the developer is never responsible for damages, will you=0D=0Astill = not be responsible for any court/lawyer fees? And=0D=0Agetting those fees p= aid by suitor will likely be another court case=2E=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A~Ramit= =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AThis email is confidential and subject to important discl= aimers and=0D=0Aconditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of= =0D=0Asecurities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses,=0D=0Ac= onfidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers,=0D=0Aavailab= le at http://www=2Ejpmorgan=2Ecom/pages/disclosures/email=2E