Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; '"if': 0.04; 'assign': 0.04; 'cpython': 0.05; 'compiler': 0.07; 'exec': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; '>>>>': 0.09; 'doing,': 0.09; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'received:gator410.hostgator.com': 0.09; 'though:': 0.09; 'variables.': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'def': 0.13; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.15; '"copyright",': 0.16; '"credits"': 0.16; '"license"': 0.16; '42,': 0.16; 'camp': 0.16; 'received:69.93.243': 0.16; 'received:72.11': 0.16; 'received:72.11.125': 0.16; 'received:72.11.125.166': 0.16; 'surprising,': 0.16; 'sync': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'wed,': 0.17; '3.2': 0.18; 'subject:Question': 0.19; 'seems': 0.19; 'cheers,': 0.20; 'feb': 0.22; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'changed': 0.23; 'statement': 0.23; 'assigning': 0.23; 'pm,': 0.26; 'function': 0.27; 'described': 0.28; 'bit': 0.28; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.29; 'kelly': 0.30; 'actually': 0.32; 'does': 0.32; 'actual': 0.32; 'it.': 0.33; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; '...': 0.35; 'cc:2**1': 0.36; 'reference': 0.37; 'could': 0.37; 'should': 0.38; 'point': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; "couldn't": 0.39; 'subject:: ': 0.39; 'change': 0.40; 'difference': 0.40; 'type': 0.60; 'more': 0.61; 'received:websitewelcome.com': 0.64; 'received:184': 0.67; 'received:69.93': 0.67; 'subject:name': 0.67; 'become': 0.69; 'received:gateway16.websitewelcome.com': 0.84; '-->': 0.91; 'local,': 0.91 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:53:09 -0800 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Kelly Subject: Re: Question about name scope References: <20120201181117.5d35dddc@bigfoot.com> <4F29BB9C.70405@stoneleaf.us> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator410.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stoneleaf.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: mail.admailinc.com ([192.168.10.136]) [72.11.125.166]:2551 X-Source-Auth: ethan+stoneleaf.us X-Email-Count: 4 X-Source-Cap: dG9idWs7dG9idWs7Z2F0b3I0MTAuaG9zdGdhdG9yLmNvbQ== Cc: python-list@python.org, mwilson@the-wire.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1328140351 news.xs4all.nl 6924 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34562 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:19756 Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: >> Definitely should rely on it, because in CPython 3 exec does not un-optimize >> the function and assigning to locals() will not actually change the >> functions variables. > > Well, the former is not surprising, since exec was changed from a > statement to a built-in. I don't see any difference in the way > locals() behaves, though: > > Python 3.2 (r32:88445, Feb 20 2011, 21:29:02) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win > 32 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>> def f(x, y): > ... locals()[x] = y > ... print(vars()) > ... exec('print(' + x + ')') > ... >>>> f('a', 42) > {'y': 42, 'x': 'a', 'a': 42} > 42 > > That still seems to work as I described it. You couldn't directly > reference it as 'a', though, since the result would be either that it > would try to look up a global with that name, or the compiler would > consider it a local, optimize it, and then you could no longer assign > it via locals(). > > Cheers, > Ian --> def f(x, y): ... locals()[x] = y ... print(vars()) ... exec('print (' + x + ')') ... print(x) ... --> f('a', 42) {'y': 42, 'x': 'a', 'a': 42} 42 a Indeed -- the point to keep in mind is that locals() can become out of sync with the functions actual variables. Definitely falls in the camp of "if you don't know *exactly* what you are doing, do not play this way!" ~Ethan~