Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder5.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.067 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.87; '*S*': 0.00; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'columns': 0.16; 'from:addr:pobox.com': 0.16; 'from:addr:skip': 0.16; 'margin': 0.16; '(you': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.17; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**1': 0.23; 'skip': 0.24; 'text.': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'task': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'characters': 0.30; 'said,': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'exclude': 0.31; 'indentation': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'becomes': 0.33; 'agree': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'either': 0.39; 'skip:p 20': 0.39; 'read': 0.60; 'length': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'line,': 0.68; 'reads': 0.68; 'engineers,': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=YHJ61IFVoWsT8qQ3gGrDpvOykDmbFF1MOVnWaj9lcfc=; b=hxAqMisHdC9i9im74sKaFimRoXmW2kVup2uuT1xd+JAo0ksVbvJf82EcIBmuVoHHmk +dqBd9EM4Um47CTr8ahwbEzo6Lu0+HoegeMgGf3KWdCCzB+Zkdf/xiZzxDPZ1TTxWdyq EHsGRuwAmcpsSb9ukwjeRU20hynlBToLRcTxjmV/7w+lplBVREnHuE0X33u3bD6NW0uw S6EUgn4W+j+l16IQbkEcM7O2v+EHDA9ncr13LkwFtfb5rzpEF8r2HXkbLAr/RYhnCaOf 1PpgtKj7TiBVPzLwm5VK7zvfiv+F4G5zgPUDW6OF8D0uOPp4sDhQ9gNpdN6LBy3xe5no IKBw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.101.80 with SMTP id d16mr22179156ico.93.1375193213374; Tue, 30 Jul 2013 07:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Sender: skip.montanaro@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <51F6C5F5.5020201@Gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:06:53 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: QQ5TmGidXpMfaJ_JUN0rdvTyF3g Subject: Re: PEP8 79 char max From: Skip Montanaro To: Joshua Landau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Python , Skip Montanaro X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1375193222 news.xs4all.nl 15876 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39785 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:51559 > In that gauge I would exclude indentation (you don't count the > number of characters the margin takes) .... I don't think anyone reads the margins. :-) That said, I agree that code and prose are fundamentally different beasts. Still, when reading either and you get to the end of the line, you need to shift your gaze down a line and back to the left margin (or the left margin plus any indentation). That task becomes more difficult as line length increases. As programmers/software engineers, we need to read and write both code and text. I think 80 columns is still a decent compromise. Skip