Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'mrab': 0.05; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'jan': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; 'advocating': 0.16; 'americans': 0.16; 'idea!': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'silly': 0.16; 'utc': 0.16; 'utc.': 0.16; 'zone.': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'first.': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'logical': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'apparently': 0.31; 'piece': 0.31; 'run': 0.32; "can't": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; '(we': 0.36; 'campaign': 0.36; 'east': 0.36; 'system,': 0.38; 'handle': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'ago,': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'happen': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'become': 0.64; 'wall': 0.65; 'due': 0.66; 'eastern': 0.68; 'journal': 0.84; 'promptly': 0.84; 'received:89': 0.85; 'online,': 0.96 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Time zones and why they change so damned often Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:53:18 +0000 References: <78d91$52cbf8e9$541826b9$29485@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> <4b702$52cc262e$541826b9$22985@cache80.multikabel.net> <4cbf$52cc2e82$541826b9$11761@cache70.multikabel.net> <686$52cd4640$541826b9$21896@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> <7wvbxteskh.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <7wr48hernb.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <52D04089.2090203@mrabarnett.plus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-89-240-171-210.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: <52D04089.2090203@mrabarnett.plus.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1389380106 news.xs4all.nl 2835 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54342 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63653 On 10/01/2014 18:48, MRAB wrote: > On 2014-01-10 18:22, Peter Pearson wrote: >> On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:14:55 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote: >> [snip] >>> What I find, most of the time, is that it's Americans who can't handle >>> DST. I run an international Dungeons and Dragons campaign (we play >>> online, and new players are most welcome, as are people watching!), >>> and the Aussies (myself included) know to check UTC time, the Brits >>> and Europeans check UTC or just know what UTC is, and the Americans >>> say "Doesn't that happen at 8 o'clock Eastern time?" and get confused. >> >> Around 30 years ago, the Wall Street Journal ran an opinion piece >> advocating the abandonment of time zones and the unification of the >> globe into a single glorious time zone. After enumerating the >> efficiencies to be achieved by this system, the writer briefly >> addressed the question of whose time zone would become the global >> standard, promptly arriving at the conclusion that, due to the >> concentration of important commerce, the logical choice was the >> east coast of the United States. >> > What a silly idea! > > The logical choice is UTC. :-) Hell will freeze over first. But apparently it already has in Minnesota. Drat, drat and double drat!!! > >> My point: we deserve the teasing. >> > -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence