Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.013 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'dst': 0.09; 'happen,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; "wouldn't": 0.14; '3:51': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'jumps': 0.16; 'planes': 0.16; 'somehow.': 0.16; 'two,': 0.16; 'utc': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'ticket': 0.19; '(but': 0.19; 'starts': 0.20; 'separate': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'instance,': 0.24; 'instead.': 0.24; 'issue,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'van': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'wonder': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'clock': 0.31; "they'll": 0.31; 'figure': 0.32; 'know.': 0.32; 'everyone': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'anywhere': 0.35; 'one,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'two': 0.37; 'that,': 0.38; 'though,': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'tell': 0.60; 'first': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'hours': 0.66; 'forward.': 0.84; 'afford': 0.91; 'airlines': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'instant': 0.97 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=B52WuJKtJrlaebAVgNUwXSClfCXERp5V+4OEGuZBIqk=; b=no/QdoTH+G+sNGUlWTbBKMJv0xFLbzKE+ybsVgeFR/VSCxfQQUp3pK9doB/1mIbHf/ 9IGwJrHOI061te9RTqTzyGMqcc5BSFSDBTXzUmRDXnZbOWGooU8KhQjve4c5nJk+R9ve fhp6NnGMbozG7QW7INHLM4MH5JwymAH6Wn8L9njmgvo3+oTGNBrjXlsNp5MWVjBS2CZn yaEcadE0IMzQ6U3018mutTZR4f+HukFvggGxvWlRzgnR2Qfn65aJrv2cChGSeWpWLDpP cgbh6C+LBueP7F41tz3xAJg6EiDjT1TTfCXPqI8a9sqi62FB9adSr/iK3GCVDx6wmJkP vUaw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.183.164 with SMTP id en4mr5950224pbc.169.1389300216782; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 12:43:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <78d91$52cbf8e9$541826b9$29485@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> <4b702$52cc262e$541826b9$22985@cache80.multikabel.net> <4cbf$52cc2e82$541826b9$11761@cache70.multikabel.net> <686$52cd4640$541826b9$21896@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> <7wvbxteskh.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 07:43:36 +1100 Subject: Re: the Gravity of Python 2 From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1389300225 news.xs4all.nl 2919 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45639 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63632 On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Piet van Oostrum wro= te: > I don't know how other countries do it, but here, when the clock goes bac= k, it goes from 03:00 to 02:00. So I wonder how they communicate when your = plane leaves at 02:30 in that night. Which 02:30? In that case using UTC ma= y come out handy, if it would be understood. Or do the planes just stop lea= ving during that interval? Not that there will be many leaving during that = time in general, I presume. > The fundamental is that the timezone changes. Times roll from 02:00 Daylight time through 02:30 Daylight time to the instant before 03:00 Daylight time, which doesn't happen, and instead time jumps to 02:00 Standard time and starts rolling forward. How this is adequately communicated on the plane ticket is a separate issue, though, and as I've never actually flown during a DST changeover, I wouldn't know. I'm sure there would be planes departing during those two hours (neither airlines nor airports can afford to have two, or even one, "dead" hour!), so this must have been solved somehow. Maybe people could figure it out from the "check-in by" time? For instance, last time I flew, the plane departed at 0240 local time (but this was in July, so not anywhere near changeover), and check-in opened at 2340; so if it were the "other" 0240, then check-in would have opened at 0040 instead. Either that, or they'll tell everyone to arrive in time for the first instance of that time, and then just make us all wait around for an extra hour.... ChrisA