Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'read.': 0.03; 'collier': 0.09; 'pep': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'recommends': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'windows': 0.15; 'limiting': 0.16; 'pep8': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'url:pep-0008': 0.16; 'url:peps': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'not,': 0.20; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'char': 0.24; 'url:dev': 0.24; 'second': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'character': 0.29; 'characters': 0.30; 'lines': 0.31; 'raised': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'johnson': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'programming,': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'machines': 0.38; 'handle': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'devices': 0.61; 'received:173': 0.61; 'such': 0.63; 'maximum': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'limit': 0.70; 'disagreement': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: PEP8 79 char max Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:55:37 -0400 References: <51F6C5F5.5020201@Gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-251-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1375134952 news.xs4all.nl 15866 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40784 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:51508 On 7/29/2013 5:01 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 7/29/2013 3:43 PM, Devyn Collier Johnson wrote: >> In Python programming, the PEP8 recommends limiting lines to a maximum >> of 79 characters because "There are still many devices around that are >> limited to 80 character lines" > > "plus, limiting windows to 80 characters makes it possible to have > several windows side-by-side. " > >> (http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#code-lay-out). What devices >> cannot handle 80 or more characters on a line? > > PEP 8 is being revised. My understanding is that because such machines > are now rare, while the second reason is still operative, the > recommended limit will be raised to 100, or maybe not, as there is disagreement on the issue also ;-). or at least say that some are > using that as the guideline. 200 char lines are harder to read. > -- Terry Jan Reedy