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On 09/01/2014 03:42, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote:
>> [ a bunch of stuff that I totally agree with ]
>
> No response needed here :)
>
> So I was wrong on the specific example of .today(), but asking the
> question the other way is at least helpful. Maybe the best solution is
> exactly what Roy already posted, or maybe there's some other way to
> achieve that. In any case, there is a solution, albeit not as clean as
> I would have liked.
>
>> With time zones, as with text encodings, there is a single technically
>> elegant solution (for text: Unicode; for time zones: twelve simple,
>> static zones that never change)
>
> Twelve or twenty-four? Or are you thinking we should all be an even
> number of hours away from UTC, which would also work?
>
> ChrisA
>

I don't care what anyone says, I'm sticking with GMT.  ("UTC" == 
"Universal Coordinated Time") == False.  And what the hell *IS* 
coordinated?  If that was the case this part of this thread wouldn't 
exist :)

Perhaps the solution is the Chinese way, don't have timezones at all.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence