Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.025 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'mess': 0.09; 'message- id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'uses.': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'roy': 0.16; 'walzer': 0.16; 'apps': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'users.': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; "haven't": 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'kevin': 0.30; 'mix': 0.30; 'gives': 0.31; '3.x': 0.31; 'updated': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'convert': 0.35; "didn't": 0.36; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'everybody': 0.60; 'today.': 0.61; 'received:173': 0.61; 'you.': 0.62; 'soon': 0.63; 'different': 0.65; 'life': 0.66; 'smith': 0.68; 'article': 0.77; 'received:67.18.68': 0.84; 'received:gateway15.websitewelcome.com': 0.84; 'suffer': 0.93 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 17:52:05 -0800 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: the Gravity of Python 2 References: <78d91$52cbf8e9$541826b9$29485@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> <4b702$52cc262e$541826b9$22985@cache80.multikabel.net> <4cbf$52cc2e82$541826b9$11761@cache70.multikabel.net> <686$52cd4640$541826b9$21896@cache1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator3304.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stoneleaf.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 173.12.184.233 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([173.12.184.233]) [173.12.184.233]:46988 X-Source-Auth: ethan+stoneleaf.us X-Email-Count: 5 X-Source-Cap: dG9idWs7dG9idWs7Z2F0b3IzMzA0Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1389232321 news.xs4all.nl 2857 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36488 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63554 On 01/08/2014 05:27 PM, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Kevin Walzer wrote: > >> I haven't updated my Python apps to 3.x because there's nothing in 3.x >> that offers benefits to my users. > > I almost found a reason to move to Python 3 today. Then I got smacked. [snip] > Naive datetimes are what everybody uses. It's what utcnow() gives you. > So why make life difficult for everybody? Python 3 didn't win a convert > today. Naive datetimes suffer from the same problem as the old str/unicode problems: as soon as you try to mix different timezone datetimes that are naive, you have a mess (temporal-bake, anyone?). -- ~Ethan~