Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:code': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'difference,': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'terry': 0.09; 'bug': 0.10; 'def': 0.10; 'dec': 0.15; '*why*': 0.16; 'afaik.': 0.16; 'bug,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:dead': 0.16; 'wed,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'pointed': 0.17; 'specify': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; '>>>': 0.18; 'issue.': 0.20; 'tracker': 0.20; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints- To:1': 0.28; '-0700,': 0.29; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'keyword': 0.30; 'version,': 0.30; 'could': 0.32; 'certain': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'confirmed': 0.35; 'open': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'days': 0.60; 'between': 0.63; 'believe': 0.69; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'glad': 0.86 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: why does dead code costs time? Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:41:19 -0500 References: <50bf85c0$0$29994$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20121205182413.GI10865@hud> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-251-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 In-Reply-To: <20121205182413.GI10865@hud> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1354740106 news.xs4all.nl 6980 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48274 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:34322 On 12/5/2012 1:24 PM, Bruno Dupuis wrote: > On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 10:59:26AM -0700, Ian Kelly wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Steven D'Aprano >> wrote: >>> The difference is almost certain between the LOAD_CONST and the >>> LOAD_GLOBAL. >>> >>> As to *why* there is such a difference, I believe that's a leftover from >>> early Python days when None was not a keyword and could be reassigned. >> >> I think this should even be considered a bug, not just a missing >> optimization. Consider: > > This is definitely a bug > >>>>> globals()['None'] = 42 >>>>> def f(x): >> ... return None >> ... print(x) >> ... >>>>> f('test') >> 42 > > This one is pretty scary > > The difference between `return None` and `return` leads to inconsistency and > is in contradiction with the specs, AFAIK. I'm glad we pointed this out. You did not specify version, but I confirmed in 3.3.0. Please open a tracker issue. -- Terry Jan Reedy