Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'scripts': 0.03; 'charset:iso-8859-7': 0.04; 'preferably': 0.05; "subject:' ": 0.07; 'suppose': 0.07; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'subject:position': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'thread': 0.14; '*should*': 0.16; 'begging': 0.16; 'complain,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'perceived': 0.16; 'spamming': 0.16; 'stem': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:start': 0.16; 'do,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'help.': 0.21; 'programming': 0.22; 'coding': 0.22; 'unicode': 0.24; 'fine': 0.24; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'programming.': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; '(which': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'piece': 0.31; 'purely': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'front': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'maybe': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; "he's": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'problems': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'moving': 0.39; 'subject:can': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'hope': 0.61; 'till': 0.61; 'personal': 0.63; 'sincerely': 0.63; 'selling': 0.65; 'customers': 0.66; 'lose': 0.68; 'pleasure': 0.74; 'business.': 0.80; 'complaint': 0.84; 'legs,': 0.84; 'absolutely': 0.87; 'contracts': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tjiqUp+emxPixdTxYmPYCVAtQBxNkUsfZYGXXGUayWc=; b=TZUXEpdpn5QOryKB80hHwBKoxK5PpM58ONUhB9pUeK393HNeW2XzUjy7ewml7VgDP8 +630CIcKgINTf/zR2L6mQOkvk/1LlPZdr+uHFRyPYqjum2rxBBz4xqOp8pP4FOvLTFdu aihhZXRs+ghVzri1AkDfgeSCo7xEq/AXNfd85o7Ks5bRJZ15R9XleeieGPNSUOVWPZ12 3lvd9zyq0m0Xp2ZonDT3NmKW/TPR2IKj2VCzzsOvQY33Nz75joBZ80ZBUoe0DOCiU1OL v6gpK1K2mgX5jlcVhdRyXxp3Xh5/ULMwuffIrWlGDO+o+o1CPe4+xbWAePiwLss7Xzvi qvkg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.47.193 with SMTP id ut1mr18714732vcb.8.1380580171625; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 15:29:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5247f6bb$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 08:29:31 +1000 Subject: Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xb6 in position 0: invalid start byte From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1380580180 news.xs4all.nl 15971 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49769 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:55132 On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:03 AM, =CD=DF=EA=EF=F2 wro= te: > =D3=F4=E9=F2 30/9/2013 5:45 =EC=EC, =EF/=E7 Mark Lawrence =DD=E3=F1=E1=F8= =E5: >> Absolutely hilarious. Please give up your web work and Python and get a >> job writing scripts for comedians, you'd make a large fortune. > > > I learn Python for personal pleasure because i like programming. > Perhaps it would be even better if you quit spamming my thread with your > "funny" quotes. Then maybe you should keep to programming for personal pleasure and stop trying to make it part of your business. Most of your problems stem from a perceived urgency - you panic, because you have stupidly edited your live code again, and come to this list begging for help. If you were coding purely for pleasure, your problems would not lose you customers, and you could deal with issues calmly. To be quite frank, I think you SHOULD lose customers. Suppose you buy a piece of furniture from some small-time carpenter, and the moving parts are stuck, it wobbles on its legs, and if anyone uses it who isn't American, it crashes to the floor (which is how your Unicode issues make you look). You go and complain, loudly, in front of people who were looking at his wares and considering buying. He might lose customers because of your complaint - but if he's selling a dodgy product, he *should* lose customers. Carpentry for pleasure, or programming for pleasure, is a fine thing to do, but it should not be considered business. Nikos, I sincerely hope that all these problems cause you to go out of business. Preferably right now, with just enough maintenance to last till the end of your contracts with people. Then start programming purely as a hobby, until you actually master the craft. ChrisA