Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'explicitly': 0.04; 'cpython': 0.05; 'result,': 0.05; "'python": 0.07; 'distributing': 0.07; 'gpl': 0.07; 'subject:license': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'alter': 0.09; 'derived': 0.09; 'itself,': 0.09; 'licenses.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'runtime': 0.09; 'separately': 0.09; 'terry': 0.09; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'psf': 0.15; 'component': 0.15; 'bundles': 0.16; 'compatible.': 0.16; 'copyrighted': 0.16; 'denying': 0.16; 'different?': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'gpl,': 0.16; 'gpl.': 0.16; 'knowledge),': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'translated.': 0.16; 'translation': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; 'code,': 0.18; 'subject:problem': 0.22; 'installed': 0.23; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'wrote': 0.26; '(see': 0.27; 'authors': 0.27; 'translated': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'run': 0.28; 'writes:': 0.29; 'code': 0.31; '(and': 0.32; 'says': 0.33; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.33; 'thanks': 0.34; 'ben': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'author': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'usual': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'claim': 0.60; 'grab': 0.64; 'license': 0.65; 'answer.': 0.71; '\xe2\x80\x93': 0.75; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: a python license problem? Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:46:13 -0400 References: <2f6ddde4-cff2-4005-bda5-b251e9822aff@googlegroups.com> <87vcfkpmvp.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-251-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 In-Reply-To: <87vcfkpmvp.fsf@benfinney.id.au> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1347385609 news.xs4all.nl 6875 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44778 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:28893 On 9/11/2012 12:03 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Jayden writes: > >> Python is under GPL compatible. If I develop a python code > > If you write new code, without deriving your work from the code of > Python itself, then the license of the Python code cannot affect what > you many do with what you wrote =E2=80=93 because the copyright on Pyth= on does > not affect works not derived from it. > > Despite the wishes of copyright maximalists (and the PSF are not > copyright maximalists, to my knowledge), there are still limits to the > scope of copyright. If by 'copyright maximalists' you mean the authors of translation=20 programs that claim copyright to translations, then they are really=20 'copyright grabbers' in that they are denying copyright to original=20 authors of the codes translated. The usual basis for the grab is that the translated code must run with a = runtime component from the translator. The runtime may or may not be=20 physically bundled with the translated code, just as Python code can run = with either a separately installed python or a bundled python, as in=20 freeze or py2exe. The PSF explicitly says that distribution of such=20 bundles is allowed for CPython as long as one summarized what one is=20 doing. (See terms 2 and 3.) >> If python is under GPL, is the answer different? Thanks a lot!! > > Python is not under GPL. But unless you are deriving a work from Python= > and distributing the result, that doesn't alter the answer. To be really clear, the 'Python license' is the license for the Python=20 x.y.z software and documentation distributed by the Python Software=20 Foundation. Other implementations have their own copyright and licenses. = Code is copyrighted and licensed by the author or assignee. --=20 Terry Jan Reedy