Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'win32': 0.03; 'true,': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; '(windows': 0.16; 'amd64': 0.16; 'antoine': 0.16; 'compute': 0.16; 'guessing': 0.16; 'low.': 0.16; 'programmers,': 0.16; 'programmers.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:More': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'all.': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'figures': 0.19; 'version.': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'certainly': 0.24; 'month,': 0.24; 'scroll': 0.24; 'earlier': 0.24; 'versions': 0.24; 'downloaded': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'largest': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'page.': 0.31; '3.x': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'subject:About': 0.31; 'table,': 0.31; 'use?': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'table': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'next': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'recent': 0.39; 'highest': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'according': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'up,': 0.60; 'increased': 0.61; 'numbers': 0.61; 'today,': 0.61; 'received:173': 0.61; 'further': 0.61; 'sum': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'total': 0.65; 'click': 0.77; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'skip:/ 30': 0.84; 'notion': 0.91; 'incredibly': 0.96 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: "More About Unicode in Python 2 and 3" Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:42:34 -0500 References: <52CB3403.3000903@udel.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-254-207.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1389062570 news.xs4all.nl 2898 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49983 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63405 On 1/6/2014 6:24 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> Terry Reedy udel.edu> writes: >>> >>> On 1/6/2014 11:29 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >>> >>>> People don't use? According to available figures, there are more >> downloads of >>>> Python 3 than downloads of Python 2 (Windows installers, mostly): >>>> http://www.python.org/webstats/ >>> >>> While I would like the claim to be true, I do not see 2 versus 3 >>> downloads on that page. Did you mean another link? >> >> Just click on a recent month, scroll down to the "Total URLs By kB" >> table, and compute the sum of the largest numbers for each Python >> version. > > Here's what I see there (expanding on what I said in the other post, > which was based on one table further up, URLs by hit count) for > December: > > 3.3.3: 1214571 > - amd64 627672 > - win32 586899 > 2.7.6: 1049096 > - win32 607972 > - amd64 441124 Earlier today, I was guessing 1000000 Python programmers. I do not know how downloads translates to programmers, but I may have been a bit low. > The next highest number is 167K downloads, so I'm going to ignore > their figures as they won't make more than 15% difference in these > stats. This is 2263667 total downloads of the current versions of > Python, 46% 2.7.6 and 54% 3.3.3. That's not incredibly significant > statistically, but certainly it disproves the notion that 3.x isn't > used at all. Last February: 1 553203 0.82% /ftp/python/3.3.0/python-3.3.0.msi 2 498926 0.74% /ftp/python/2.7.3/python-2.7.3.msi 3 336601 0.50% /ftp/python/3.3.0/python-3.3.0.amd64.msi 4 241796 0.36% /ftp/python/2.7.3/python-2.7.3.amd64.msi What has really increased are the amd64 numbers. I am pleased to see that the bug-fix releases get downloaded so heavily. -- Terry Jan Reedy