Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'operator': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'differently': 0.07; 'string': 0.09; 'created,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; '"from': 0.16; '__future__': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'magic': 0.16; '(you': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'module': 0.19; 'settings': 0.22; 'example': 0.22; 'import': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'module,': 0.24; 'decide': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'define': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'feature': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'though.': 0.31; 'maybe': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'changing': 0.37; 'easily': 0.37; 'starting': 0.37; 'issue': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'future': 0.60; 'worry': 0.60; 'break': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'effectively': 0.66; 'benefit': 0.68; '("this': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=14Eh5mfTVqX7ltN2LxIabq3sGZS2pvynmlcnEI7II3A=; b=rdsFp+ILI2JaLE2r5U/v/Jpyu1zP6x0PMZQmPcScwuah+anyiejXMWlArjgwZQt9gO esAoIdiwBMv2U5VTlqGL0SjYyOevTvS9hsRqoxV8Q2Y7UcjmGyk0w/0tuMZrShCQVucE 0lAj9/mOfsUwnfeVYa5LG6UPX2rAhxF/gy8yIkW1VrJZTYQ2hvxe1LugfQgL9LEhJM+3 hlK+KKxzPmuuXi1M5bbABPdMcYatE3/4x1XKSKWXjJZibdxGAbsMX0d9PJcrDCMvd8Rm Ql0G8fbN4beUUGDGkhaJCyZDblROrv4RS6N0lE5H3uv5ZXNeani3kPdgkK0GgExH5h20 jnBA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.133.6 with SMTP id oy6mr11833900pbb.153.1389060059552; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:00:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 13:00:59 +1100 Subject: Re: the Gravity of Python 2 From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1389060069 news.xs4all.nl 2852 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52362 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63395 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: > What if we decide there is no single source of responsibility, and it > can't be limited exactly to a module, and make a __future__ feature > the best we can regardless? We can still exact some benefit from a > "sloppy" __future__ feature: we can still move code piecemeal. I worry that it's starting to get into the realm of magic, though. Maybe dict.keys() isn't the best example (you can easily make your code 2+3 compat by just calling list() on it immediately, which is effectively "from __past__ import absence_of_views"), but the issue is the same with string autoencodings. It's really hard to define that the + operator will do magic differently based on a future directive, and changing the object ("this string will not autoencode") means you're not tweaking things per-module, and behaviour will change and/or break based on where some object was created, rather than the settings on the module with the code in it. ChrisA