Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4b.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'startup': 0.05; 'desired.': 0.07; '[1]:': 0.09; '[2]:': 0.09; 'modes': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'python': 0.11; '(at': 0.13; 'do,': 0.15; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'dir"': 0.16; 'dir.': 0.16; 'hides': 0.16; 'to:addr:pearwood.info': 0.16; 'to:addr:steve+comp.lang.python': 0.16; "to:name:steven d'aprano": 0.16; 'underscores': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'module,': 0.18; 'discussion': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.21; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.21; '2015': 0.23; 'module': 0.23; 'file.': 0.24; 'import': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'script': 0.25; 'least': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'regular': 0.29; 'inspect': 0.29; "they'll": 0.29; 'primary': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'point': 0.33; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'enhanced': 0.33; 'hopefully': 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'another': 0.34; 'subject:?': 0.34; 'running': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'could': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'instead': 0.38; 'version': 0.38; 'means': 0.39; 'application': 0.39; 'subject:the': 0.40; "you'll": 0.61; 'personally': 0.61; 'hear': 0.62; 'apart': 0.70; 'gain': 0.81; 'oscar': 0.84; "shouldn't,": 0.84; 'glad': 0.86; 'subject:Set': 0.91; 'besides,': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=1R+aa2WhGJbnlZmHAl35a1r8gbry86YSk+Bq9tmAAmQ=; b=QbKy/Mjj0K2AMZvom260z+v/K4ECaGegvjL3eJigsrpwWqP3FBx6G0MpgphfhfIi3U OfqYJp06Ip4UV9upcl1UtazeshRuRmaEpEc/U2YfMAgOduqQhPJ2MfTyjbDf+9K5oIWt VtFJvStxuK7gY3HbQQ6/ApdSsCd5PBzNn9wi8XxZMigqI9RaNxkhKk/o2bVrkbSFU7Qe x5CvOMAAuLBLGVrvVmVIYpeVKLp9ledYuS496lcLy9nolw+oVh6UnelhQinCYrywRZ/K t/6L+6MZ41FHLDpGG/mJl5QmK5QL2sPxTcU/vjuI7ka4E4z8uzJaGGsiSqBVSVRr7PF5 hjOQ== X-Received: by 10.180.187.41 with SMTP id fp9mr6583012wic.67.1434458721936; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 05:45:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <557fdbd6$0$11097$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> References: <557f6676$0$21718$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <4449bc52-4dba-486c-b426-7095e228a316@googlegroups.com> <557fdbd6$0$11097$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> From: Oscar Benjamin Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:45:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Set a flag on the function or a global? To: "Steven D'Aprano" Cc: Python List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1434458729 news.xs4all.nl 2920 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52286 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:92674 On 16 June 2015 at 09:18, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > The primary use-case (at least *my* use-case, and hopefully others) is to > have "from module import edir as dir" in their Python startup file. That > means that when running interactively, they will get the enhanced version of > dir, but when running a script or an application they'll just get the > regular one. > > (Ideally, the regular one will eventually gain the same superpowers as edir > has, but that's a discussion for another day.) > > Besides, apart from the inspect module, which probably shouldn't, who uses > dir() programmatically? > > (If you do, you'll be glad to hear that edir() behaves the same as regular > dir() by default.) What's the point in giving edir two modes if one of them is the same as dir? You could just do "from module import edir" and then use dir/edir as desired. Personally I just use ipython's tab-completion instead of dir. It shows the dunders if you first type underscores but hides them otherwise e.g.: In [1]: a = [] In [2]: a. a.append a.count a.extend a.index a.insert a.pop a.remove a.reverse a.sort In [2]: a.__ a.__add__ a.__format__ a.__imul__ a.__new__ a.__setslice__ a.__class__ a.__ge__ a.__init__ a.__reduce__ a.__sizeof__ a.__contains__ a.__getattribute__ a.__iter__ a.__reduce_ex__ a.__str__ a.__delattr__ a.__getitem__ a.__le__ a.__repr__ a.__subclasshook__ a.__delitem__ a.__getslice__ a.__len__ a.__reversed__ a.__delslice__ a.__gt__ a.__lt__ a.__rmul__ a.__doc__ a.__hash__ a.__mul__ a.__setattr__ a.__eq__ a.__iadd__ a.__ne__ a.__setitem__ -- Oscar