Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Larry Martell Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Wanted Python programmer to join team Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 06:41:55 -0400 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <7c1497d29c7146328545aa918522f986@seaexchmbx03.olympus.F5Net.com> <573a83f4$0$22140$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <573aaa28$0$1512$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de KN6ISTyFvBuWupAyeogpvQwMyxXRslZtsAWiOpvmXyiw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.023 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:209.85.223': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; '(b)': 0.07; 'plenty': 0.07; 'recruiters': 0.09; 'themselves,': 0.09; '2016': 0.16; 'bit.': 0.16; 'nowadays': 0.16; 'received:209.85.223.173': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:programmer': 0.16; 'subject:team': 0.16; 'utterly': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; '>>>': 0.20; 'recruiter': 0.20; 'to:name:python- list@python.org': 0.20; 'posted': 0.21; '(a)': 0.22; 'trying': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'all.': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'chris': 0.26; '(e.g.': 0.27; 'recruitment': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'subject:join': 0.27; 'directly,': 0.29; '(c)': 0.29; 'probably': 0.31; "can't": 0.32; 'returned': 0.32; 'changed': 0.33; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'tue,': 0.34; 'requirements': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'could': 0.35; 'submitting': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'possible.': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.36; 'cases': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'really': 0.37; 'doing': 0.38; 'busy': 0.38; 'received:209': 0.38; 'means': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'company': 0.60; 'your': 0.60; 'back': 0.62; 'above,': 0.63; 'fire': 0.63; 'qualified': 0.63; 'contact': 0.66; 'emails.': 0.67; 'jobs': 0.67; 'phone': 0.68; 'reply,': 0.72; 'skill': 0.76; 'business,': 0.81; 'applicants': 0.83; 'career.': 0.84; 'seldom': 0.84; 'worthy': 0.84; 'responses': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LHuz87wJcFLOl8DzxQyRJVPIMCDr88ufcUWHLs9huM4=; b=IuyOjmVTFwxXCY45elBK+vLlWcZEPnuyB3KOLm4hQJgy1CYju5WJJL76eevNto/ZGw /BUPEY4gfHMNubDSWinA8FxBpRrd/nyN9qLxE2AEqjOvUsXAQH9uMhLm142UQcy9nJiU dzPIGOpGosLLdxFCQfr7PgMvM8SqPRSek95BnSE12AoAXTa/a8EGRGPTwNDI4etQM7/o MQXP0aHZTPrhDS2xXoUi3PEhFMflEYArv+AYYdfg+0Y15e4+ZI/4xvI06QrFFCbMhqNq pbOfSLaczNADqgdKoYo2ULdz6trLw9sNj9N+Kpn/X9ePwA3npQ1oEcWF8lO2jUiqbd8T pMCA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=LHuz87wJcFLOl8DzxQyRJVPIMCDr88ufcUWHLs9huM4=; b=VFSrUF9wMcxUWVZmjdag80dnpW7+53tUO4gWxX2p7i4de46GbqUKO8Z7ZFvaer5g4T Rt3UsNHUtqEPzd0AgT0ODKqCszS4J0sot/vVGUXBCkQ8RZIa2lmcAKaKZQWirCh8oDOE TBE/9xpL5YLMofEUe6A437jdjl4eT05SDfxrprIWhHhT36VYOYcI+aGycUwD1vaC69B/ s/nPpbTeYa7Ka3bn6pxTpaCh7PNYXJD0kys7pwZWsobAs53rYznoTpMf+9Eh5LFYoSaY yhWS4petaHuFUClNgbaKYH/gcseXrV/oBdQ/Fzrdt0e+Y4mjIPu3h4mQ03/by61YasR2 8apg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FWGvMZy4T1zhAfKfnipoIgYdRPqq+cumtkBRGat1kIyN82UOZ9kB06TBim6Jfh+3Fsmx62gefHVhjq6cA== X-Received: by 10.36.48.80 with SMTP id q77mr361093itq.76.1463481755291; Tue, 17 May 2016 03:42:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <7c1497d29c7146328545aa918522f986@seaexchmbx03.olympus.F5Net.com> <573a83f4$0$22140$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <573aaa28$0$1512$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:108732 On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 1:29 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >>> And a lot of job postings do come from that sort of really small >>> business, trying to expand a bit. Plus, some of them want some >>> anonymity (why, I don't know, but there are plenty of jobs posted >>> without too much in the way of company details) >> >> That probably means the job advert is coming from a recruiter. They don't want >> people to contact the company directly, and they want to hide the fact that >> they are a recruiter. > > Ehh, that's possible. Given that I seldom get any responses back from > them, I can't tell whether they (a) are using a recruiter who hates my > guts, (b) are using a recruiter who is utterly incompetent, (c) are > doing the recruitment themselves, and are so utterly flat-out busy > that they can't fire off a simple email to their applicants, or (d) > are doing it themselves, and don't consider failed applicants worthy > of an email. Could be any of the above, for all I can tell. Or (e), > the job was posted from just outside the Bermuda Triangle. Recruiters have changed so much in my career. Back in the early 80's you would have to have an interview with the recruiter before they would even consider submitting you for a job. They would know your skill set and they would not present a job you were not qualified for. They returned phone calls and emails. Nowadays I get emails and calls for jobs with requirements that are nowhere on my resume (e.g. .NET or sales) and when I am qualified and interested and I reply, in most cases I get no response at all.