Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'responding': 0.07; 'armin': 0.09; 'comment,': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; 'thread': 0.14; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'behave': 0.16; 'behaviour.': 0.16; 'bounds.': 0.16; 'complaining': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'mark.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:More': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'thread,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'putting': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'unicode': 0.24; 'regardless': 0.24; "haven't": 0.24; 'developers': 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'follows': 0.31; 'subject:About': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'everyone': 0.33; 'not.': 0.33; 'core': 0.34; 'really': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'stopped': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'expect': 0.39; 'bad': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'ago,': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'our': 0.64; 'below.': 0.71; 'defensive': 0.84; 'idiot': 0.84; 'received:2': 0.84; 'yours.': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: "More About Unicode in Python 2 and 3" Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 23:21:48 +0000 References: <201401060932.35410.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201401061617.06746.gheskett@wdtv.com> <7w1u0khfdc.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-2-98-207-36.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: <7w1u0khfdc.fsf@benfinney.id.au> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1389050531 news.xs4all.nl 2962 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55797 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63374 On 06/01/2014 23:14, Ben Finney wrote: > Mark Lawrence writes: > >> You arrogance really has no bounds. If you'd have done the job that >> you should have done in the first place and stopped that blithering >> idiot 16 months ago, we wouldn't still be putting up with him now. > > That is a misdirection; Ned's request that you stop bad behaviour > (baiting known trolls into responding on a thread) is unrelated to > Armin's bad behaviour. Don't use the bad behaviour of others to justify > yours. > Armin isn't our resident unicode expert!!! >> And as I started this thread, I'll say what I please, throwing my toys >> out of my pram in just the same way that your pal Armin is currently >> doing. > > We expect everyone to behave well, regardless of whether they start a > thread or not. Don't use the bad behaviour of others to justify yours. > > We know you're better than this, Mark. Please stop. > Fair comment, though I'll confess I feel rather better for having let off a bit of steam. At the same time I really must stop being so defensive of the python ecosytem and its core developers and start complaining about what they haven't done for me. My list follows below. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence