Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder5.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'argument': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'important,': 0.07; "person's": 0.09; 'properly.': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'equal.': 0.16; 'subject:More': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'community,': 0.19; 'examples': 0.20; 'seems': 0.21; 'community.': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'creating': 0.23; 'either.': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'subject:About': 0.31; 'critical': 0.32; 'community': 0.33; 'everyone': 0.33; 'not.': 0.33; 'core': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'opposed': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'effort': 0.37; 'wrong': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'others.': 0.38; 'aspects': 0.39; 'course.': 0.60; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'field': 0.63; 'individuals': 0.74; 'mean.': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cXumNa0BJpizaxUqNwSRHvUGOXti2kRzD6thFv7XSWw=; b=gVdztT2nzKufYtgSjXIo+8kyNXaLRUNDbPQ4UdDuQWF5GgOKsrlfhgT6PlkbC12pMv mVuYaequ4UgU0tARbUSe7asDxaC1T/g2P7KmV1oysyP8RGvb4UGkEGVJO6HRlJ9H+/vc fdf1iKI6ryIWvUL/StHX3oqXYe6voTkLqnvLwn8mEzhB1asYJMFuGLhs0dfDc0KCXKDx 29adj/1ubW6qdr7d3OeNYGhhCKn5EdUtahgzt7flJNWFmURK6BwfW6AvsqY+3UpR6gys Ry/Kkfn2REvYGWKZYun2e6VVJhWWcoNj2vYud7pHyWL7ftxYaVDPe68mPr980tAcPl3V HxuA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.105.199 with SMTP id go7mr14181482wib.53.1389048970638; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 14:56:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 16:56:10 -0600 Subject: Re: "More About Unicode in Python 2 and 3" From: Mark Janssen To: Ned Batchelder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Python List X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1389048977 news.xs4all.nl 2885 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52144 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63365 >> I would still point out that "Kenneth and Armin" are not the whole Python >> community. > > I never said they were the whole community, of course. But they are not > outliers either. [...] > >> Your whole argument seems to be that a couple "revered" (!!) >> individuals should see their complaints taken for granted. I am opposed to >> rockstarizing the community. > > I'm not creating rock stars. I'm acknowledging that these two people are > listened to by many others. It sounds like part of your effort to avoid > rockstars is to ignore any one person's specific feedback? I must be > misunderstanding what you mean. To Ned's defense, it doesn't always work to treat everyone in the community as equal. That's not to say that those two examples are the most important, but some people work on core aspects of the field which are critical for everything else to work properly. Without diving into it, one can't say whether Ned's intuition is wrong or not. markj