Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'explicitly': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '(so': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'windows': 0.15; '(windows': 0.16; 'agreed,': 0.16; 'antoine': 0.16; 'from:addr:pitrou.net': 0.16; 'from:addr:solipsis': 0.16; 'from:name:antoine pitrou': 0.16; 'message-id:@post.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:213.41.240': 0.16; 'received:213.41.240.54': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:charlus.yi.org': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:yi.org': 0.16; 'stats': 0.16; 'subject:More': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'seems': 0.21; 'install': 0.23; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; '2.x': 0.24; 'fairly': 0.24; 'nearly': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; '(like': 0.30; 'subject:About': 0.31; "they'll": 0.31; 'use?': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'python.org': 0.32; 'linux': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'massive': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'though,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'according': 0.40; 'release': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'reach': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'million': 0.74; '(probably': 0.84; 'antoine.': 0.84; 'inherent': 0.84; 'respectable': 0.84; 'favour': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Antoine Pitrou Subject: Re: "More About Unicode in Python 2 and 3" Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:32:50 +0000 (UTC) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 213.41.240.54 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:26.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/26.0) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1389040397 news.xs4all.nl 2853 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45808 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63336 Chris Angelico gmail.com> writes: > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 3:29 AM, Antoine Pitrou pitrou.net> wrote: > > People don't use? According to available figures, there are more downloads of > > Python 3 than downloads of Python 2 (Windows installers, mostly): > > http://www.python.org/webstats/ > > > > Unfortunately, that has a massive inherent bias, because there are > Python builds available in most Linux distributions - and stats from > those (like Debian's popcon) will be nearly as useless, because a lot > of them will install one or the other (probably 2.x) without waiting > for the user (so either they'll skew in favour of the one installed, > or in favour of the one NOT installed, because that's the only one > that'll be explicitly requested). It's probably fairly accurate for > Windows stats, though, since most people who want Python on Windows > are going to come to python.org for an installer. Agreed, but it's enough to rebut the claim that "people don't use Python 3". More than one million Python 3.3 downloads per month under Windows is a very respectable number (no 2.x release seems to reach that level). Regards Antoine.