Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'binary': 0.07; 'ascii': 0.09; 'escape': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; 'janssen': 0.16; 'really?': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:More': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'bytes': 0.24; 'guys': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; 'long,': 0.26; 'defined': 0.27; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'characters': 0.30; 'apparently': 0.31; 'subject:About': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'community': 0.33; 'problem': 0.35; 'problem.': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'doing': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'bad': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'subject:"': 0.60; "you'll": 0.62; 'refer': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; '(generic': 0.84; '*really*': 0.84; 'dealer': 0.84; 'received:2': 0.84; 'habit': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: "More About Unicode in Python 2 and 3" Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 19:36:22 +0000 References: <52C9FD02.3080109@stoneleaf.us> <52cae78d$0$29971$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52CAF722.6010301@stoneleaf.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-2-98-207-36.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1389037011 news.xs4all.nl 2932 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40782 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63325 On 06/01/2014 19:30, Mark Janssen wrote: >>> Chris didn't say "bytes and ascii data", he said "bytes and TEXT". >>> Text != "ascii data", and the fact that some people apparently think it >>> does is pretty much the heart of the problem. >> >> The heart of a different problem, not this one. The problem I refer to is >> that many binary formats have well-defined ascii-encoded text tidbits. > > Really? If people are using binary with "well-defined ascii-encoded > tidbits", they're doing something wrong. Perhaps you think escape > characters "\n" are "well defined tidbits", but YOU WOULD BE WRONG. > The purpose of binary is to keep things raw. WTF? You guys are so > strange. > >> >>> If you (generic you) don't get that, you'll have a bad time. I mean >>> *really* >>> get it, deep down in the bone. The long, bad habit of thinking as >>> ASCII-encoded bytes as text is the problem here. > > I think the whole forking community is confused at because of your own > arrogance. Foo(l)s. > > markj > Looks like another bad batch, time to change your dealer again. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence