Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'scripts': 0.03; 'programmer': 0.03; 'subject:not': 0.03; 'debugging': 0.07; 'plenty': 0.07; 'subject:Error': 0.07; 'style.': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'language,': 0.12; 'itself.': 0.14; 'expression,': 0.16; 'levels,': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'troll': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'programming': 0.22; 'aug': 0.22; 'coding': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'creating': 0.23; 'stick': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'gets': 0.27; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'room': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'easier': 0.31; 'that.': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'fixing': 0.31; 'styles': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'alone': 0.33; 'style': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'similar': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'example,': 0.37; 'half': 0.37; 'somebody': 0.38; '12,': 0.39; 'called': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'life,': 0.60; 'tell': 0.60; 'first': 0.61; 'show': 0.63; 'personal': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'refer': 0.63; 'between': 0.67; 'said:': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'embrace': 0.84; 'premature': 0.84; 'standards,': 0.84; 'dozen': 0.91; 'joel': 0.91; 'novice': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=PPOkoUXW/sHGv2+fBoYBOUS89EJmyFq/P37LGKwjx+s=; b=i/YueO3otZiQrpQldDWicsJftt9OkUDcoyKqEq/zX7+Zs/qBL6YufOARCtPRQ+Xgjf YdufeFviQiDvS1ElcnBGVIpNkM3yMVplCOm6RVHs4A3gHeih67zY9UOEFjmH80Lvlr8h UM9feCi31jIUahSbFtCSlwDr/P9BOztnQ4DvkU/DZOx/Hj2iHVA0Rfqef7CR5bFIonfP qocihaNGbGKQpP+ni1D/InDoiwN7z2CaYv+p0Y1dX1xFVsutCyj2+ars9c6HAnvI6GJC jiAp6Wms58nWXgI0L+0285tZDD0wqTgRyEVsd4Emixd8Jpc5fpt7A3j+PhHM8h39UjjO kFaA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.166.71 with SMTP id ze7mr11197vdb.50.1376326605571; Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:56:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5206F4AB.8050204@Gmail.com> <5208D625.2000103@Gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:56:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Am I not seeing the Error? From: Joel Goldstick To: Roy Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1376326614 news.xs4all.nl 15875 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51491 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:52422 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Roy Smith wrote: > I can't quite sort out the multiple quoting levels, but somebody said: > >>>> Programming like that is called trolling. A programmer that uses >>>> trolling is called a troll. A troll can also refer to such a line >>>> of code itself. My scripts contain a lot of trolls. It is easier >>>> for me to read trolls than "typical" coding styles. > > Please tell me this is all just an elaborate joke. I was thinking something similar Roy. Devyn, you may think you code differently, but you don't. You have a half of dozen people trying to show you how your style causes confusion between what you think you are writing and what you actually coded. There is plenty of room in coding for personal expression, but what you call 'trolling' is not that. If you like semicolons, use another language that needs them. I think you think it is some version of premature optimization. Since you are a novice at the language, stick with the standards, and learn to embrace them. Ultimately standard coding styles has nothing to do with code optimization. It has to do with readability. Although this is a small example, you can see that if several people get involved debugging it, the first thing that gets in the way is your non-standard coding style. If you want to code alone your whole life, do as you like. But the time spent reading and fixing code in the lifetime of any useful software system is greater than the time spent creating the original code. > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com