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From: Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: "More About Unicode in Python 2 and 3"
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 17:13:34 +0000
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On 06/01/2014 16:46, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 06 January 2014 11:42:55 Mark Lawrence did opine:
>
>> On 06/01/2014 14:32, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> On Monday 06 January 2014 08:52:42 Ned Batchelder did opine:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> You are still talking about whether Armin is right, and whether he
>>>> writes well, about flaws in his statistics, etc.  I'm talking about
>>>> the fact that an organization (Python core development) has a
>>>> product (Python 3) that is getting bad press.  Popular and vocal
>>>> customers (Armin, Kenneth, and others) are unhappy.  What is being
>>>> done to make them happy?  Who is working with them?  They are not
>>>> unique, and their viewpoints are not outliers.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not talking about the technical details of bytes and Unicode.
>>>> I'm talking about making customers happy.
>>>
>>> +1 Ned. Quite well said.
>>>
>>> And from my lurking here, its quite plain to me that 3.x python has a
>>> problem with everyday dealing with strings.  If it is not solved
>>> relatively quickly, then I expect there will be a fork, a 2.8 by
>>> those most heavily invested. Or an exodus to the next "cool"
>>> language.
>>
>> It's not at all plain to me, in fact quite the opposite.  Please expand
>> on these problems for mere mortals such as myself.
>
> Mortals?  Likely nobody here is more acutely aware of his mortality Mark.
>
> But what is the most common post here asking for help?  Tossup as to
> whether its database related, or strings.  Most everything else seems to be
> a pretty distant 3rd.
>
> Cheers, Gene
>
>

As the take of Python 3 is so poor then that must mean all the problems 
being reported are still with Python 2.  The solution is to upgrade to 
Python 3.3+ and the superb PEP 393 FSR which is faster and uses less 
memory.  Or is it simply that people are so used to doing things 
sloppily with Python 2 that they don't like being forced into doing 
things correctly with Python 3?

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence