Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.017 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; "'being": 0.09; 'sun,': 0.09; 'wrong,': 0.09; 'pm,': 0.11; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'criteria': 0.16; 'simulation': 0.16; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'mathematics': 0.16; 'subject:] ': 0.16; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.22; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.31; 'model': 0.31; '17,': 0.31; 'construct': 0.31; 'that,': 0.35; 'question': 0.35; 'received:209.85.216.46': 0.35; 'received:mail- qw0-f46.google.com': 0.35; 'subject:software': 0.35; 'think': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'apr': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'so,': 0.38; 'ok,': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'might': 0.40; 'perfect': 0.62; '2011': 0.62; 'subject:Free': 0.72; "'be": 0.84; '11:29': 0.84; 'to:addr:charter.net': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=uhpluHNuPPN6qzB8ioW0BrAvjXtMIARuY91daAawtyY=; b=R80q+OnuDtYyowMEHeY0ij+D3CJrhcId6WiEepfStpRq5xUYqBt0SIFkS7Bq8g+ohq /Wo5P4tq55jSgmJk3p8/ni2Mqxtmtr1jA4UArQcTSOiONDIUu6XMlHVgtf/m0Mtt0rgU GkCqednwZDhRMdj5uPanS8Z6uT27sYwhv6jPc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=WQNAGDYNuCcUUSI3y/ZrpZU2CHTcvIog9FGLFo5HpfwItlLC02X4PLtgUM05w9/zRn Lg72V1xM17RkRFQQ/gYE1rKcRsnmGOIG9CjQV3YUoJfJNJRYsCptHhwTwoT0U+vRNJNL agH2wiGeWyiLzYIQqf5Jkv8YN0T1xc9uccXcU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5TQqp.30624$0s5.4344@newsfe17.iad> References: <4d9c5ca5$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87tyebf3r3.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <_Abnp.8356$zn.729@newsfe19.iad> <4d9d6587$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <__top.14604$zn.8052@newsfe19.iad> <4daa27f6$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5TQqp.30624$0s5.4344@newsfe17.iad> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 00:34:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents From: geremy condra To: harrismh777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1303112051 news.xs4all.nl 32470 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:47606 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3469 On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:29 PM, harrismh777 wrote: Ok, so, you're basically saying that perfect simulation is not a requirement for something to 'be mathematics'. I don't think you can construct a nontrivial model for mathematics without including that, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong, and if you'll provide your criteria for the question of what qualifies as 'being mathematics' we might get somewhere. Geremy Condra