Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'happily': 0.07; 'subject:missing': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'intern': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; '*any*': 0.16; 'arbitrarily': 0.16; 'from:addr:behnel.de': 0.16; 'from:addr:stefan_ml': 0.16; 'from:name:stefan behnel': 0.16; 'randomize': 0.16; 'subject:String': 0.16; 'memory': 0.20; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'figure': 0.23; 'stefan': 0.24; 'explicitly': 0.28; 'hash': 0.30; 'solved': 0.30; 'chris': 0.30; 'subject:?': 0.30; 'quite': 0.31; 'certainly': 0.32; 'it.': 0.33; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'anything': 0.34; 'then.': 0.34; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.34; 'received:org': 0.37; "there's": 0.37; 'enough': 0.37; 'used,': 0.38; 'first.': 0.38; 'received:de': 0.39; 'subject:: ': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'data': 0.40; 'bring': 0.60; 'order': 0.60; 'worth': 0.61; 'your': 0.61; 'provided': 0.61; 'same,': 0.67; '(based': 0.84; 'subject:moved': 0.84; 'attacks': 0.93; 'presumably': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Stefan Behnel Subject: Re: String interning in Python 3 - missing or moved? Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:17:00 +0100 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: fw-snc-frn5-de01.fw.telefonica.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111220 Thunderbird/9.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1327393037 news.xs4all.nl 6922 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46753 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:19326 Chris Angelico, 24.01.2012 05:47: > Lua and Pike both quite happily solved hash collision attacks in their > interning of strings by randomizing the hash used, because there's no > way to rely on it. Presumably (based on the intern() docs) Python can > do the same, if you explicitly intern your strings first. Is it worth > recommending that people do this with anything that is > client-provided, and then simply randomize the intern() hash? If you want to encourage them to fill up their memory with user provided data in a non-erasable way, then sure, that would certainly keep an attacker from having to figure out hash collisions in order to bring down a system. Sending *any* arbitrarily varied data would be enough then. Stefan