Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'extent': 0.07; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'things,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'translation': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; 'thread': 0.14; 'books': 0.15; '(however,': 0.16; 'buy,': 0.16; 'gained': 0.16; 'python."': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'discussion': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; '"you': 0.24; 'apply.': 0.24; 'case.': 0.24; 'decide': 0.24; 'fairly': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'somewhere': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'chris': 0.29; 'have,': 0.30; 'asked': 0.31; 'ahead.': 0.31; 'becoming': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'amazon': 0.34; 'one,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'ahead': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'serving': 0.60; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'lost': 0.61; 'effective': 0.61; 'skip:* 10': 0.61; 'our': 0.64; 'worth': 0.66; 'market': 0.66; 'book,': 0.68; 'hour': 0.70; 'money': 0.72; 'power': 0.76; 'whereby': 0.84; 'reasoning': 0.91; 'deal,': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Blog "about python 3" Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 05:53:12 +0000 References: <52C1F5EC.3020808@stoneleaf.us> <52c29416$0$29987$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52c6415c$0$29972$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52C6AD00.5050000@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> <52c8c301$0$29998$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52ca0584$0$29982$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-21-43.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1388987613 news.xs4all.nl 2887 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52425 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63272 On 06/01/2014 01:54, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> (However, to the extent that Amazon has gained monopoly power over the book >> market, that reasoning may not apply. Amazon is not *technically* a >> monopoly, but they are clearly well on the way to becoming one, at which >> point the customer has no effective choice and the market is no longer >> free.) > > They don't need a monopoly on the whole book market, just on specific > books - which they did have, in the cited case. I actually asked the > author (translator, really - it's a translation of "Alice in > Wonderland") how he would prefer me to buy, as there are some who sell > on Amazon and somewhere else. There was no alternative to Amazon, ergo > no choice and the market was not free. Like so many things, one choice > ("I want to buy Ailice's Anters in Ferlielann") mandates another > ("Must buy through Amazon"). > > I don't know what it cost Amazon to ship me two copies of a book, but > still probably less than they got out of me, so they're still ahead. > Even if they lost money on this particular deal, they're still way > ahead because of all the people who decide it's not worth their time > to spend an hour or so trying to get a replacement. So yep, this > policy is serving Amazon fairly well. > > ChrisA > So much for my "You never know, we might even end up with a thread whereby the discussion is Python, the whole Python and nothing but the Python." :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence