Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.045 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.00; 'thread,': 0.04; '"default': 0.09; 'function:': 0.09; 'examples': 0.11; 'def': 0.15; '"f"': 0.16; '"n"': 0.16; 'closures,': 0.16; 'expression,': 0.16; 'this:': 0.16; 'seems': 0.20; 'tells': 0.21; 'refers': 0.23; 'explains': 0.24; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.25; 'preferred': 0.25; "i'm": 0.27; 'function': 0.27; 'bound': 0.29; 'definition': 0.30; 'subject:?': 0.31; 'least': 0.31; 'values': 0.32; 'there': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; "i've": 0.34; 'surprised': 0.34; 'google': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'question': 0.36; 'using': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'somewhat': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'received:209.85': 0.38; 'ways': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; "it's": 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'header :Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'john': 0.62; 'factory': 0.73; 'subject:this': 0.74; 'right),': 0.84; 'surprised,': 0.84; 'time"': 0.84; 'received:home': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7ZzMqgoVMi+pMTBLh/yAcp0WkBOQ3j0+VsvyxOHVVhg=; b=cOf1eafbCZPBtLhOBJ0l9yqJaTtoV4vlEQdIaHfSwDAItY3djOrKlnFdv/Lke34qid NbWIhlog1eLy0NkZiJCW9Wo1eQoTqu5OGyKSPPnEpemD7yuIFGJnOCqyUQ6/v3skywbZ oiGTTAf08s/Cdcd4Hu+onTAvY87EN2aOFWsV4= Sender: "John O'Hagan" Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:45:05 +1000 From: John O'Hagan To: python-list@python.org Subject: Why do closures do this? X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0beta2 (GTK+ 2.24.4; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1314503122 news.xs4all.nl 2438 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55968 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:12328 Somewhat apropos of the recent "function principle" thread, I was recently surprised by this: funcs=[] for n in range(3): def f(): return n funcs.append(f) [i() for i in funcs] The last expression, IMO surprisingly, is [2,2,2], not [0,1,2]. Google tells me I'm not the only one surprised, but explains that it's because "n" in the function "f" refers to whatever "n" is currently bound to, not what it was bound to at definition time (if I've got that right), and that there are at least two ways around it: either make a factory function: def mkfnc(n): def fnc(): return n return fnc funcs=[] for n in range(3): funcs.append(mkfnc(n)) which seems roundabout, or take advantage of the "default values set at definition time" behaviour: funcs=[] for n in range(3): def f(n=n): return n funcs.append(f) which seems obscure, and a side-effect. My question is, is this an inescapable consequence of using closures, or is it by design, and if so, what are some examples of where this would be the preferred behaviour? Regards, John