Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: eryk sun Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Well, I finally ran into a Python Unicode problem, sort of Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 23:46:26 +0000 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <0589521b-648a-47c1-8afa-6f746e0fb901@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 2jFeUCeisBCZq4VOAHCYTAnf2GHXlMcoMsNNArpyBiAw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'operator': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'added.': 0.09; 'non-ascii': 0.09; 'subject:into': 0.09; 'throws': 0.09; 'example:': 0.10; 'python': 0.10; 'interpreter': 0.15; '2016': 0.16; '465': 0.16; 'naming': 0.16; 'operators.': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'user-defined': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'mechanism': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; '>>>': 0.20; 'names.': 0.22; 'parsing': 0.22; 'subject:problem': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'feature': 0.24; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'mathematical': 0.27; 'function': 0.28; 'operators': 0.29; 'pep': 0.29; 'url:peps': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'option': 0.31; 'table': 0.32; 'maybe': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'symbol': 0.33; 'add': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'could': 0.35; 'url:dev': 0.35; "isn't": 0.35; 'url:org': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'itself': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'john': 0.61; 'skip:n 10': 0.62; 'products.': 0.70; 'jul': 0.72; 'encounters': 0.84; 'lacks': 0.84; 'ruled': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6Xr6HF5pw1hpTepZ5B2r+QBtm2T1BVIZhjHZnRtzbUg=; b=wS2KVa8BBd89LMHOYl5qM58jokJJLuvgzZB9m+1gzeVnIbOPNpnt4CaoNNlKYCvwwR pOXU6AbS+8Flavga39nvIqQ0ly4T1HhBrhXLDG5V0irMDX8pBsUK+tUdP4GXVsPVo0UB GtUjhBlHciQcI4hN04GQfVZ8BQYz1CIicsP2G3Gd8Hkl3I6HVxgmKMq2mPWIY6Fl249r Nl00CtnJZ+f/FMxLRxwd5vCf9r+4WzOqrjCUfV/wLdYp1c0nhWlYc8KvAOWy6zW+uFH+ rzWbw1xp3WEFSsok/P2kNdjSSK1uXWcPVX1Zxfvuz7fBO/xjGgQ0BKUI793RIoSRr8Yn eIzg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6Xr6HF5pw1hpTepZ5B2r+QBtm2T1BVIZhjHZnRtzbUg=; b=dHAMqaON0VCK9BiTPfFFQ0jrihqqjhfPNzEIlyTXwO0kRcbZL4oKO+FGfBi/ARIc8R Y4bHm9KgX8XBN/rBaycm46dXS5S7jdd0AF89zIsekEntXcELS6NRpofOkgZI9sA86Ed7 a5wDf04xW4mp/+uR2AItiO9RHaEUOfxSs+iC0cU5gQNf0QApAKf7DFv0x5u7DhLDpBD9 x4HyrFPNyxWPV1oB0KQLXVXh8pghmxzJwK3iECKABRtuP1dAplJx64k09EKFb7ypP6eI /mPqF2cTSNWLmC/tJMDk4rPHaBgORUzEAMUrkp9Gmec7hLZXEaGmwTg6Hgs+KC5sXiF0 nvjw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJBTiyrMS3GG+eURImB5P5C8DiZwPTcsFPAIPlU/7YoiD0AGQl0j90SIXu4eHxh1skxzT9xqeOIYkYAwA== X-Received: by 10.36.65.28 with SMTP id x28mr1797406ita.16.1467589625944; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 16:47:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0589521b-648a-47c1-8afa-6f746e0fb901@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <0589521b-648a-47c1-8afa-6f746e0fb901@googlegroups.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:111021 On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 6:58 AM, John Ladasky w= rote: > The nabla symbol (=E2=88=87) is used in the naming of gradients. Python i= sn't having it. > The interpreter throws a "SyntaxError: invalid character in identifier" w= hen it > encounters the =E2=88=87. Del is a mathematical operator to take the gradient. It's not part of the name. For `=E2=88=87f`, the operator is `=E2=88=87` and the function na= me is `f`. Python lacks a mechanism to add user-defined operators. (R has this capability.) Maybe this feature could be added. To make parsing simple, user-defined operators could be limited to non-ASCII symbol characters (math and other -- Sm, So). That simple option is off the table if we allow symbol characters in names. Adding an operator to the language itself requires a PEP. Recently PEP 465 added an `@` operator for matrix products. For example: >>> x =3D np.array([1j, 1]) >>> x @ x 0j >>> x @ x.conj() # Hermitian inner product (2+0j) Note that using a non-ASCII operator was ruled out: http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0465/#choice-of-operator