Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Angelico Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: The Cost of Dynamism (was Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster?) 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And if you said "hey, take >> a bus or a taxi next time", and I next time walked and got lost again, >> you would rightly call me a fool. And if I then had the audacity to >> say that London's streets are badly designed, because I looked at them >> and even without knowing what sort of traffic goes on them, I can tell >> that those are slow roads... you'd have very little respect for my >> statements about London. It wouldn't matter if I'm the world's >> greatest expert on hiking from Adelaide to Perth; it wouldn't matter >> how many nuances of Nullarbor sand I'm familiar with, nor how best to >> find drinking water there. I clearly know nothing about London, and my >> complaints about the city should be taken with a grain of salt, until >> such time as I put in the effort to get to know YOUR city YOUR way. >> >> (Events depicted in this work are entirely fictional and have no basis >> in reality. Really. Really truly. Anyway, I only got lost once.) > > Well if you tried to walk from King's Cross to Heathrow and only got > lost once, I'm very impressed. I'm impressed if you did it at all! I was walking something like four blocks, from one station to another (we flew in to one of the airports and needed to take a train to Manchester, and that involved trains on different lines). It was a short trip and would have been an easy one, had I consulted a map beforehand instead of thinking "Oh, it's just straight there and then there and there, no problem!". Obviously London's fault for being unintuitive. And for having railway lines that don't meet at the same stations (well, maybe that's a legit complaint, but the city has to worry about backward compatibility too). ChrisA