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From: Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu>
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Subject: Re: UNABLE TO GET IDLE TO RUN
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On 10/30/2015 9:15 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 10/30/2015 12:29 PM, Laura Creighton wrote:
>> In a message of Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:21:30 +0100, Michiel Overtoom writes:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Laura wrote:
>>>> I think that it would be useful if IDLE spit out a warning
>>>
>>> An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Maybe it's an idea
>>> that IDLE gives a warning when you're trying to save a file with a
>>> name that would shadow an existing module?
>
>> You might want to add that idea here:
>> https://bugs.python.org/issue25514

This is a different issue than IDLE avoiding clashes.  I opened
https://bugs.python.org/issue25522

> A warning requires a list to check against.  I just suggested on
> python-ideas the addition of a 'module' module, similar to the 'keyword'
> module, that would have the needed lists and functions.

Guido pointed me to sys.builtin_module_names, which is needed for the 
issue above.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy