Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.048 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'extent': 0.07; 'things,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'translation': 0.12; 'books': 0.15; '(however,': 0.16; 'buy,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'gained': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'apply.': 0.24; 'case.': 0.24; 'decide': 0.24; 'fairly': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'somewhere': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'have,': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'asked': 0.31; 'ahead.': 0.31; 'becoming': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'amazon': 0.34; 'one,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'ahead': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'serving': 0.60; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'lost': 0.61; 'effective': 0.61; 'skip:* 10': 0.61; 'worth': 0.66; 'market': 0.66; 'book,': 0.68; 'hour': 0.70; 'money': 0.72; 'power': 0.76; 'reasoning': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; 'deal,': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=epUpryk1gEsHtmRbYL7SCDXFhcxE78q0Lc5dtBXY39A=; b=WCyGYz/x6oJ0dzUxyT8tPMRgQiI/w3Cdy4rNrN7L/IXVuHey/DLfnHwd8TSDTg6ul1 mT6jY9bK0VFxaMXgAPqJhZIesTDVANAIa+Z8fx7/yyYpMadVDd3ScBVYP1KoUlhXO5nw lE5wcmba19KFZtWSs9JvHfQDK0tg7ZRzgfaQMVTqG6wrch6IvRSgBklUYdIrlNUZKW5q ZdwFg+M6TKSYQ4hn2un8iggpsXrMFbSJO3fv9tFbmNmNa5OB8lIZeKiMx0Qr7xEC1Gtj ae7XZMCideQXdGUzMmDTnYbXOOoUG3NKE63JLFkX2Fr+jn1HNl5GarxzbNPZFqPM7IIA 5jYg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.66.1 with SMTP id b1mr120647717pbt.43.1388973289148; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 17:54:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52ca0584$0$29982$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <52c1dc4c$0$2877$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <52C1F5EC.3020808@stoneleaf.us> <52c29416$0$29987$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52c6415c$0$29972$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52C6AD00.5050000@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> <52c8c301$0$29998$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52ca0584$0$29982$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 12:54:48 +1100 Subject: Re: Blog "about python 3" From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1388973298 news.xs4all.nl 2940 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38246 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63256 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > (However, to the extent that Amazon has gained monopoly power over the book > market, that reasoning may not apply. Amazon is not *technically* a > monopoly, but they are clearly well on the way to becoming one, at which > point the customer has no effective choice and the market is no longer > free.) They don't need a monopoly on the whole book market, just on specific books - which they did have, in the cited case. I actually asked the author (translator, really - it's a translation of "Alice in Wonderland") how he would prefer me to buy, as there are some who sell on Amazon and somewhere else. There was no alternative to Amazon, ergo no choice and the market was not free. Like so many things, one choice ("I want to buy Ailice's Anters in Ferlielann") mandates another ("Must buy through Amazon"). I don't know what it cost Amazon to ship me two copies of a book, but still probably less than they got out of me, so they're still ahead. Even if they lost money on this particular deal, they're still way ahead because of all the people who decide it's not worth their time to spend an hour or so trying to get a replacement. So yep, this policy is serving Amazon fairly well. ChrisA