Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Laura Creighton Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Dabbling in web development Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 00:28:30 +0100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <2a5d3947-a49a-48f8-bc4c-7d126d3d6fef@googlegroups.com> <8737w1eggj.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de mXrEmv7ZG4G1SrQFqQN9CQwEq5mJNOuMJaGF8TvQ30ag== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'django.': 0.05; 'mouse': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'creighton': 0.09; 'received:openend.se': 0.09; 'received:theraft.openend.se': 0.09; 'django': 0.13; '>in': 0.16; 'cc:addr:lac': 0.16; 'cc:addr:openend.se': 0.16; 'from:addr:lac': 0.16; 'from:addr:openend.se': 0.16; 'from:name:laura creighton': 0.16; 'invisible': 0.16; 'message-id:@fido.openend.se': 0.16; 'received:fido': 0.16; 'received:fido.openend.se': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'laura': 0.18; '2015': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'work,': 0.21; 'cc:2**1': 0.22; 'see:': 0.22; 'seems': 0.23; 'xml': 0.24; 'all.': 0.24; '(which': 0.26; 'fri,': 0.27; 'least': 0.27; '+0200,': 0.27; 'url:moin': 0.27; 'received:se': 0.29; 'cc:no real name:2**1': 0.29; 'url:wiki': 0.30; 'work.': 0.30; 'standards': 0.30; 'url:python': 0.33; 'choices': 0.33; 'http': 0.33; 'fail': 0.35; 'nov': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'instead': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'serve': 0.36; 'framework': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.37; 'things': 0.38; 'application': 0.39; 'some': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.61; 'header :Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'results': 0.66; 'heavy': 0.81; '>of': 0.84; 'basics.': 0.84; 'fonts': 0.84; 'header:In-reply-to:1': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=openend.se; s=default; t=1447975712; bh=4h/QMjEAS5tpTp+951oCfQ4q4BTnnQgfPEpgDLSsL/g=; h=To:cc:From:Subject:In-reply-to:References:Date:From; b=DzfrQkzfoq96VwVLEYIupPhr0sboZZwhPKlsPIXrUfmcYTrNtOXIgU1W9M3g1YIuk C/YClvVtOFdNMmUZxGfmikafZCXTW8VqbZ8uwHDVXdu2V0CMUuA2eO3vL8xrTBaH0n /Ei1BClyU8Gr1IWBtlNiV8En2LUtjMTg2Gl6RvTI= In-reply-to: <8737w1eggj.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Comments: In-reply-to Marko Rauhamaa message dated "Fri, 20 Nov 2015 01:07:24 +0200." Content-ID: <2138.1447975710.1@fido> X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (theraft.openend.se [82.96.5.2]); Fri, 20 Nov 2015 00:28:32 +0100 (CET) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:99108 In a message of Fri, 20 Nov 2015 01:07:24 +0200, Marko Rauhamaa writes: >Laura Creighton : > >> There are lots of other choices than Django. >> >> see: https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks/ > >However, are there any good web applications? I have seen some heroic >attempts but most fail miserably or at least have some annoying >glitches. > >The cardinal sin of web development seems to be micromanagement. Instead >of letting the web standards do their work, the application wants to be >in full control with JavaScript and XML HTTP requests. The results can >be awe-inspiring but at the same time fail at the basics. For example, >select/copy with the mouse might not work. Fonts might be garbled. Half >the page might be invisible and unscrollable. Or nothing will be >displayed at all. > > >Marko But you see that whether or not you use a Heavy framework like Django or a Microframework like Flask (which is all about how to serve such things up .... how you butcher the results is your own business.) Web design is a lot harder than most people who make webpages think. So what else is new? Laura