Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.051 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'thread': 0.10; 'governor': 0.16; 'invoking': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:reference': 0.16; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'troll': 0.16; 'referring': 0.22; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.26; '(which': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'chris': 0.26; 'right.': 0.27; 'posts': 0.30; 'another': 0.32; 'especially': 0.32; "he's": 0.33; 'unicode': 0.35; 'quite': 0.35; 'there': 0.36; 'subject:" ': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'whom': 0.37; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'ever': 0.60; 'him': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.61; 'office': 0.62; 'between': 0.65; '_o__)': 0.84; 'irrelevant': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'unacceptable': 0.84; 'political': 0.97 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Terminology: "reference" versus "pointer" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 06:48:18 +1000 References: <1a1a1f6a-27ce-4c1b-807a-43eabaa04abb@googlegroups.com> <8e16c020-e734-401d-92cb-10a2cdddd497@googlegroups.com> <55f4657f$0$1675$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <0034a8bd-cd81-4c5e-9759-1ce1aa97e2e2@googlegroups.com> <0f742e14-1983-42ae-a774-f8a9f3485e34@googlegroups.com> <5d871fb7-03f5-4b58-b03b-d411fc693658@googlegroups.com> <55F4E0E0.6020009@gmail.com> <557c7158-6a8f-42e3-8cec-411f29363436@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:iN++OZE04NNITt1OJn0PjyOl1j4= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1442177308 news.xs4all.nl 23811 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52836 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96527 Chris Angelico writes: > I think Ben's referring to taunting jmf, whom Mark called the "RUE" or > "Resident Unicode Expert". There has been a long-standing antagonism > between those two (which is completely understandable), and one which > often spills over into vitriolic posts (which is less acceptable). Chris has it right. What's especially unacceptable is invoking that person for amusement, irrelevant to the conversation. It's one thing to respond when a person comes into a thread to troll unbidden; it is quite another to taunt them unprompted. -- \ “I call him Governor Bush because that's the only political | `\ office he's ever held legally.” —George Carlin, 2008 | _o__) | Ben Finney