Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.013 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'read.': 0.03; 'granted,': 0.07; 'answering': 0.09; 'derived': 0.09; 'occasionally': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'window.': 0.09; 'jan': 0.12; '(meaning': 0.16; '>in': 0.16; '>the': 0.16; 'clues': 0.16; 'does,': 0.16; 'message-id:@4ax.com': 0.16; 'partly': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'thereby': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'any,': 0.19; 'meant': 0.20; '(the': 0.22; 'rules': 0.22; 'days,': 0.24; 'url:home': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'skip:" 20': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'reply.': 0.31; 'correctly.': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'end,': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'though.': 0.31; 'quite': 0.32; 'could': 0.34; 'case,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'activate': 0.36; 'described': 0.36; 'leads': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'wrong': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'button': 0.38; 'received:76': 0.38; 'window': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'heard': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'days': 0.60; 'even': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'skip:* 10': 0.61; 'show': 0.63; 'strategy': 0.64; 'telling': 0.64; 'provide': 0.64; 'response.': 0.68; 'lose': 0.68; 'revealed': 0.68; 'click': 0.77; '50s': 0.84; 'penalty': 0.84; 'quiz': 0.84; 'realm.': 0.84; 'shows,': 0.84; 'british': 0.87; 'responses': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: Blog "about python 3" Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 14:05:42 -0500 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn References: <52c6415c$0$29972$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52C6AD00.5050000@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> <52c8c301$0$29998$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52c8fb7f$0$29969$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-76-249-17-115.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1388948748 news.xs4all.nl 2917 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54699 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63212 On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 17:28:14 +1100, Steven D'Aprano declaimed the following: >I've heard of Jeopardy, but never seen it. But I know about game shows, and >in this case, what you care about is *winning the game*, not answering the >questions correctly. Answering the questions correctly is only a means to >the end, which is "Win". If the rules allow it, your best strategy might >even be to give wrong answers, every time! > Jeopardy partly derived from the game show scandals of the 50s ($64000 question; where it came out that some contestants were coached on answers). Jeopardy's clues ARE the answers, and the contestants have to provide a question that could be answered by that clue. Granted, modern Jeopardy's responses are all in the "who|what|when|where was ..." realm. >(It's not quite a game show, but the British quiz show QI is almost like >that. The rules, if there are any, encourage *interesting* answers over >correct answers. Occasionally that leads to panelists telling what can best >be described as utter porkies[1].) > Would not work for Jeopardy. Hogwash responses will result in penalty (losing the question $$$) and permitting the other two contestants to ring in with their response. In the early days, one could ring in even while the question was being read. They now don't activate the button until the "answer" has been completely read (meaning contestants need to be quick on the button WHEN the reading is over). The old days meant one could click as the clue was revealed and thereby lock-in while having the whole reading AND the 15-30second response window in which to make a reply. Now they have to compete at the end of the reading and then take advantage of only the 15-30second window. >If Jeopardy does not penalise wrong answers, the "best" strategy might be to It does, though. You lose the amount of the answer (the "jeopardy") for wrong response questions. -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/