Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.142 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.72; '*S*': 0.00; 'otherwise)': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; 'buggy': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'index.': 0.16; 'slow,': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'do.': 0.18; 'command': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'now?': 0.24; 'tells': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'web.': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'google,': 0.29; 'unix': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'delayed': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'bugs': 0.33; 'not.': 0.33; '"the': 0.34; 'no,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'appearance': 0.36; 'described': 0.36; 'web,': 0.36; 'searching': 0.37; 'too': 0.37; 'files': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'course': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'more': 0.64; 'world': 0.66; 'between': 0.67; 'results': 0.69; 'vital': 0.78; 'etc,': 0.84; 'results,': 0.84; 'snapshot': 0.84; 'technically': 0.84; 'promised': 0.91; 'that),': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=gBD9tY+ZxYxcFRpH7bogALWn/TXpgIoOknQ1LufiJ9w=; b=Qq5Pi2dykKcUj3Pro+O3a9MxRWNUIE3r1B19Up9ihxm8WQEHiXVq5dCJOKbDnbwwti QaywQOqJxUhNj1/wDX+OdTNpajgFUq0tVbHOYwU45oSiTjXPkdBOYWzYi1ZD/KFnVRco tAn+WtW6R6J1Tj4gDJ5zTKJJqOC/Np1qqYFAU3j7XSWuQoGf48usq6s5dHvvUZ6oydhD ZlzJWPe2nn1bpLFmNvjB95/q2Rqf0l5bGQrUeh9YNBmJbj9IDgJbM7aXcH/mMU+HeN1a vHrWKoTAbvCTcq4FG3Df9iZzrwKJQKrAtnwsoXaKIk/ELLM+0TVetmLtwb/z59VXNGSh +x6A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.133.6 with SMTP id oy6mr41260398pbb.153.1388926095050; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 04:48:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52c94fec$0$29973$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <52c1dc4c$0$2877$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <52C1F5EC.3020808@stoneleaf.us> <52c29416$0$29987$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52c6415c$0$29972$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52C6AD00.5050000@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> <52c8c301$0$29998$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52c94fec$0$29973$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:48:14 +1100 Subject: Re: Blog "about python 3" From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1388926104 news.xs4all.nl 2831 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38582 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63187 On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > - "The Unix 'locate' command doesn't do a live search of the file > system because that would be too slow, it uses a snapshot of the > state of the file system." > > > Is locate buggy because it tells you what files existed the last time the > updatedb command ran, instead of what files exist right now? No, of course > not. locate does exactly what it promises to do. Even more strongly: We say colloquially that Google, DuckDuckGo, etc, etc, are tools for "searching the web". But they're not. They're tools for *indexing* the World Wide Web, and then searching that index. It's plausible to actually search your file system (and there are times when you want that), but completely implausible to search the (F or otherwise) web. We accept the delayed appearance of a page in the search results because we want immediate results, no waiting a month to find anything! So the difference between what's technically promised and what's colloquially described may be more than just concealing bugs - it may be the vital difference between uselessness and usefulness. And yet we like the handwave. ChrisA