Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'argument': 0.05; 'explicitly': 0.05; 'correct.': 0.07; 'arguments': 0.09; 'definition,': 0.09; 'latter': 0.09; 'pretend': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'jan': 0.12; "can't.": 0.16; 'correctness': 0.16; 'say.': 0.16; 'to:addr:pearwood.info': 0.16; 'to:addr:steve+comp.lang.python': 0.16; "to:name:steven d'aprano": 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'seems': 0.21; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; "aren't": 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'correct': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'statement': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'such.': 0.31; 'way?': 0.31; 'definition': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; "couldn't": 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'making': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'counts': 0.83; 'imagining': 0.84; 'wrong!': 0.84; 'traded': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=eeVJZeeSDjlqjU+hZwK3ncuK/wvhsygTnGDWyz1EISA=; b=BJI804jF6hN4HXa53DH1oZctJ8bcf+X51l6oeP4kdhAnoWx+IROR58zSc7zdWP9l3D UaS7AlKCQ1jubn5wELEUSDI8i8wY+2C45wZzj0+6KR0uRMAq6nK83b9jbz9+iMV9vR6j 1toMlLKwvW0vveZ9IdkMpoPm0Y/SadiMCApzYX9ZORP4pBEjSsEKVuGo0R7CtLtuMPPr tBygBnXSVIItQXucxb81YIiAu9lmNMFT9loP+Us+R/no53FTctEue8DaLrzORfC07FwW qoiYTK0j8wflfopawnXDF8oU1wo0M+2HR6PHczMpYSj2MGDRtRFG6JzSRl81qLD9aUqI 11Bw== X-Received: by 10.224.46.196 with SMTP id k4mr29336871qaf.43.1388908866463; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 00:01:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <52c8c301$0$29998$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <52c1dc4c$0$2877$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <52C1F5EC.3020808@stoneleaf.us> <52c29416$0$29987$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52c6415c$0$29972$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <52C6AD00.5050000@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> <52c8c301$0$29998$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> From: Devin Jeanpierre Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 00:00:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Blog "about python 3" To: "Steven D'Aprano" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "comp.lang.python" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1388908874 news.xs4all.nl 2935 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56137 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63175 On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Fast is never more important than correct. It's just that sometimes you > might compromise a little (or a lot) on what counts as correct in order for > some speed. Is this statement even falsifiable? Can you conceive of a circumstance where someone has traded correctness for speed, but where one couldn't describe it that latter way? I can't. I think by definition you can always describe it that way, you just make "what counts as correctness" be "what the customer wants given the resources available". The conventional definition, however, is "what the customer wants, imagining that you have infinite resources". With just a little redefinition that seems reasonable, you can be made never to be wrong! I avoid making unfalsifiable arguments that aren't explicitly labeled as such. I try to reword them as, "I prefer to look at it as ..." -- it's less aggressive, which means people are more likely to really listen to what you have to say. It also doesn't pretend to be an argument when it isn't. -- Devin