Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:while': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'from:addr:python': 0.09; 'loop.': 0.09; 'output': 0.10; '"while': 0.16; '"with"': 0.16; 'from:addr:mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'from:name:mrab': 0.16; 'habit.': 0.16; 'lines),': 0.16; 'message- id:@mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'optimised': 0.16; 'received:84.92': 0.16; 'received:84.92.122': 0.16; 'received:84.92.122.60': 0.16; 'received:84.93': 0.16; 'received:84.93.230': 0.16; 'reply-to:addr:python-list': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; '2.2': 0.18; "they've": 0.18; 'jan': 0.19; '(which': 0.19; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'literal': 0.23; 'string': 0.24; 'code': 0.25; 'suggestion': 0.25; '"the': 0.26; 'skip:p 30': 0.29; 'sun,': 0.30; "i've": 0.31; 'version': 0.31; 'break': 0.32; 'list': 0.32; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.33; 'loop': 0.34; 'received:84': 0.34; 'too': 0.34; 'reply-to:addr:python.org': 0.34; 'statement,': 0.34; 'typical': 0.34; 'could': 0.37; 'steven': 0.38; 'mailing': 0.38; 'shows': 0.39; 'subject:: ': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'believe': 0.65; 'lost': 0.68; 'soon': 0.71; 'header:Reply-To:1': 0.71; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'forever': 0.84; 'idiom': 0.84; 'sommers': 0.84; 'temperature': 0.93 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=J8QoHXbS c=1 sm=1 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:17 a=FFsdPcU1_MIA:10 a=OUOv7kDek9cA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=AsXrbwpkmW1mXTH0a6IA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:117 X-AUTH: mrabarnett:2500 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:13:37 +0000 From: MRAB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: while True or while 1 References: <4F1AC1D4.2080402@gmail.com> <4f1b9dc4$0$29987$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: python-list@python.org List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1327248802 news.xs4all.nl 6983 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60833 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:19219 On 22/01/2012 16:05, Dan Sommers wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 05:25:25 +0000, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> Or they've been writing Python code since before version 2.2 when True >> and False were introduced, and so they are used to the "while 1" idiom >> and never lost the habit. > > That would be me. > > As per a now-ancient suggestion on this mailing list (I believe it was by > Tim Peters), I've also been known to use a non-empty, literal Python > string as a self-documenting, forever-True value in the typical loop-and-a- > half cnstruct: > > while "the temperature is too big": > temperature = get_temperature() > if temperature<= threshold: > break > process_temperature(temperature) > > This way, even though the loop condition is buried inside the loop (which > could be longer than four lines), it is apparent as soon as I encounter > the loop. > And the output of "dis" shows that it's optimised to a forever loop. > With the advent of the "with" statement, though, these loops are slowly > disappearing. >