Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed0.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Joel Goldstick Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 18:33:03 -0500 Lines: 66 Message-ID: References: <56d16e6a$0$1593$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <85ziujwhdt.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 9Za5vZ9MNHLgapHpYBj+OwWezBAGOz7FaoLB5YuUrXCw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.069 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.86; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'before.': 0.09; 'forcing': 0.09; 'part,': 0.09; "person's": 0.09; 'question.': 0.13; 'appropriate': 0.14; '2016': 0.16; 'episodes.': 0.16; 'received:209.85.213.176': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'reserve.': 0.16; 'sad': 0.16; 'second-guess': 0.16; 'stuff.': 0.16; 'subject:exception': 0.16; 'unconnected': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; 'subject:] ': 0.19; '>>>': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'feb': 0.23; 'academic': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'larry': 0.29; 'sure,': 0.29; 'url:mailman': 0.30; "we're": 0.30; 'language.': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'him.': 0.33; "i'll": 0.33; 'url:listinfo': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'trouble': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'needed': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'monday,': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'really': 0.37; 'skip:& 10': 0.37; 'turn': 0.37; 'say': 0.37; 'received:209.85.213': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.38; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'him': 0.60; 'your': 0.60; 'real': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'personal': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; '>>>>>': 0.66; 'him,': 0.67; 'reply': 0.68; 'internet': 0.70; 'expert': 0.70; 'experts': 0.70; 'industry': 0.70; 'url:info': 0.71; 'drug': 0.72; 'subject:skip:M 10': 0.72; 'honest': 0.76; 'delusions': 0.84; 'drugs': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'subject:author': 0.84; 'to:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.84; 'utc+5:30,': 0.84; 'doctor': 0.91; 'joel': 0.91; 'misleading': 0.91; 'health.': 0.93; 'story.': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=41O5OKammK1A7S1WHkL4ubmYHl5QlqRhPdz/AdpnlCQ=; b=uif7PTcCqyIlGzCE5+PKe46jh7L6e3drp/Zdxscj1d52WQLh1S84OGmcEavNwl3NVh aLdfKX2HP3nLU4UxiwPXOA0ZwxB6JCmJ3AfXoHIs+/XUF6XAJrgG8YCaXxu+JhL2uSLC 6rH0OktpAp2LSVwmwfduAZwc+S/VtezwuBWp68GooKzwGLTh0XqJlSbXNx79jELjKZpc 9D71TudZdo+RxnIPnRWAd+qpavVIxavgP1q90q4oJhGSLheKRPcijuQnkUWmCBd/uprY q7WkIhf+h4awB3P7OuyCus8BFG2R678luR8qeFZYq/cP2MPpOggU1hqe1DBaxdz9D4+x sD2g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=41O5OKammK1A7S1WHkL4ubmYHl5QlqRhPdz/AdpnlCQ=; b=J6QQw3E32+/A8X6AGNi+yXAThIeUyAvdItXKwaKoPlZK3RG4+CR3hcsG6HIXLXVajw kT0T/mqIkZ0x89Ii7kjfx2dvjCkCw2ycY8bpaWm+zMKhmA5SfUGPnilCRXVdZjZJsKw7 xomx7/RfjLMzu3M8brqQAPa6gP3BJP3Fxe8h7wU7eSCkryBBqFnJ57p+J5LCRvVtjPdz K9uD2aHMkNliVjMCKw2CQ5IQLxBsAt3pcrexdhnjgv0WIXktBtE8JLvLjV8aGinfh+pZ tDxmpv40KxE6vbBMyib/OieyH7526F/Q6Q8n96RBMZzR+DbKINEQHPHjJWucQKfYni2W 6Cxg== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJUFTjl+J8Z8V7do1Wg+tJdsvSZVN93mfexG4tQcZBkm/h5LFjRi5Xcm7s3Chy0hXjV6lj9lfViatPbTA== X-Received: by 10.50.1.6 with SMTP id 6mr547040igi.28.1456788783983; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 15:33:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:103768 On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:29 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 29/02/2016 22:40, Larry Martell wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Ben Finney >> wrote: >> >>> Rustom Mody writes: >>> >>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 10:26:32 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ian Kelly writes: >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I found this to be a very sad story. Sure, he had some issues, but I >>>>>>> don't think they needed to drug him, and take all that he had >>>>>>> learned away from him and turn him back into what he was before. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "All that he had learned" meaning his delusions and psychoses? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Indeed. If a revelation is unconnected to reality, it's misleading to >>>>> say that one has "learned" it. >>>>> >>>> >>>> And who is the last arbiter on that 'reality'? >>>> >>> >>> A nice academic question. Not appropriate when we're discussing a real >>> person's psychotic episodes. Neither you nor I are experts in whether an >>> experience is psychosis, and the person already has an expert diagnosis. >>> >>> So please don't de-rail into the weeds of second-guessing an expert in >>> mental health. Unless you know the person's mental health better than >>> their doctor (and you do not), don't second-guess the diagnosis they >>> received. >>> >> >> I think for the most part, the mental health industry is most >> interested in pushing drugs and forcing people into some status quo. >> >> > I am disgusted by your comments. I'll keep my original reply in reserve. > > > -- > My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask > what you can do for our language. > > Mark Lawrence > > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > I really like requests. I recommend it whenever people have trouble with urllib. As to Kenneth's personal struggle, good for him. An interesting and honest appraisal of his personal stuff. Viva la internet -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com/ http://cc-baseballstats.info/