Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'programmer': 0.03; 'debug': 0.07; 'debugging': 0.07; 'converts': 0.09; 'debugger': 0.09; 'output,': 0.09; 'windows': 0.15; 'eclipse': 0.16; 'scripts.': 0.16; 'subject:question.': 0.16; 'variables,': 0.16; 'all.': 0.16; 'looked': 0.18; '(the': 0.22; 'machine': 0.22; 'team,': 0.22; 'sean': 0.24; 'java': 0.24; 'script': 0.25; 'switch': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; "doesn't": 0.30; 'app.': 0.31; 'perl': 0.31; 'text': 0.33; 'worked': 0.33; 'running': 0.33; 'level.': 0.33; 'mac': 0.33; 'reader': 0.33; 'screen': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'idle': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'step': 0.37; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'window': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'ability': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'break': 0.61; 'full': 0.61; 'simple': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'road': 0.65; 'biggest': 0.67; 'readers': 0.68; 'points,': 0.84; 'preventing': 0.84; 'speech': 0.84; 'feet': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date :to:mime-version; bh=Yoc0u5vArPKKcO5wQV1ipyRo1reike3dXtWbvA7ybXk=; b=0LBL7WAFZsKFPKNCbUCcT9JXCBVHvILHzYeyXpRFkLbIGqAkUedQqmN4tfJSTpAtDV W/lNH6bVqqFyoVIOYVeW7LvTPCrCV6RkKvuMXfxmyIKVwdO5VfWY6QSlL0YvNXr5iNOP p15h0EdAIA6UWOo16kL/GGSg0C/qvIw4HfArcilH1xDyOMo+eUce3dEgfIe/J3TGx3pi ITZYpH0xc/k1NJnuP42uwpYESh54GhB54a7+0rqr1h5FXk3aeX6xR4/kwRo0jSgaeegJ VCX1wpN4bRsLk+M+fHA5QfvLPYKbJ8C776JsVFa4qCfwD+sQ5U5N5k9QOUfDM3GNjgvT 4dbA== X-Received: by 10.66.232.40 with SMTP id tl8mr93603236pac.137.1388722663287; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 20:17:43 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Murphy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Debugging on the Mac question. Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 15:17:37 +1100 To: python-list@python.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 09:55:42 +0100 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1388739344 news.xs4all.nl 2972 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34531 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:63042 Team, I am a Vision Impaired programmer on the Mac and Window platforms. I = have started to learn Python. The biggest road block I have is the = ability of debugging my simple scripts. The IDLE program does not work = with the screen readers I use on the Mac or Windows. A screen reader is = a program that grabs the text on the screen and converts it into speech = output, at least this is the 50000 feet explanation. I cannot see the = screen at all. I have looked at eclipse and it doesn't work with Voice-Over (the screen = reader on the Mac). I have java issues on my windows machine preventing = me running this app. If I use $python -d script.py the debugger doesn't seem to trigger on = the mac.=20 So how I can perform a debug on a script so I can step through it, set = up break points, watch variables, etc.=20 It is really annoying me, since under Perl I just added the -d switch = and had a full debugger that worked at the console level. Sean=20=