Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.022 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'subject:not': 0.03; 'algorithm': 0.04; 'broken': 0.04; 'yet.': 0.04; 'assign': 0.07; 'subject:help': 0.08; 'ascii': 0.09; 'thus,': 0.09; 'url:github': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language,': 0.12; '6502': 0.16; 'ai,': 0.16; 'assignments': 0.16; 'brand-new': 0.16; 'chunks.': 0.16; 'clark': 0.16; 'development?': 0.16; 'folks,': 0.16; 'hacked': 0.16; 'previously,': 0.16; 'received:65.55.116.103': 0.16; 'received:65.55.116.73': 0.16; 'received:blu0-omc3-s28.blu0.hotmail.com': 0.16; 'rogue': 0.16; 'son,': 0.16; 'theme.': 0.16; 'tutoring': 0.16; 'unix,': 0.16; 'url:board': 0.16; 'url:py': 0.16; 'url:title': 0.16; 'variations': 0.16; 'wiki:': 0.16; 'appropriate': 0.16; '(not': 0.18; 'acquired': 0.19; 'programming': 0.22; 'manual': 0.22; 'to:name:python-list@python.org': 0.22; 'byte': 0.24; 'phd': 0.24; 'received:65.55.116': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'developers': 0.25; 'recognized': 0.26; 'task': 0.26; '(for': 0.26; 'asking': 0.27; 'defined': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'to:2**1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'skip:- 40': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'characters': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'asked': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'that.': 0.31; 'too.': 0.31; '(my': 0.31; 'ahead.': 0.31; 'away.': 0.31; 'lessons': 0.31; 'pay,': 0.31; 'subject:what': 0.31; 'wind': 0.31; 'thanks!': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'community': 0.33; 'role': 0.34; 'date:': 0.34; 'sense': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'knowledge': 0.35; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'basic': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'building': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; "he's": 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'next': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'so,': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'email addr:python.org': 0.37; 'starting': 0.37; 'feed': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'subject:': 0.39; 'new': 0.61; 'took': 0.61; 'world.': 0.61; 'course': 0.61; 'simple': 0.61; 'show': 0.63; 'url:index': 0.63; 'name': 0.63; 'high': 0.63; 'map': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'school': 0.64; 'love': 0.65; 'great': 0.65; 'email name:python-list': 0.65; 'finally': 0.65; 'teach': 0.65; 'experience.': 0.67; 'url:0': 0.67; 'jobs': 0.68; 'forums': 0.68; 'sound': 0.68; 'college': 0.70; 'jul': 0.74; 'day': 0.76; 'lack': 0.78; 'visiting': 0.79; 'hand': 0.80; 'amateur': 0.84; 'generation,': 0.84; 'homework': 0.84; 'plays': 0.84; 'subject:!)': 0.84; 'subject:think': 0.84; 'url:forums': 0.84; 'url:lang': 0.84; 'url:master': 0.84; 'url:php': 0.85; 'subject:you': 0.87; 'generation.': 0.91; 'kid': 0.91; 'procedural': 0.91; 'revival': 0.91; 'url:%2b': 0.93; 'dream': 0.95; 'students,': 0.95; '2013': 0.98 X-TMN: [xjvOrFhaqgCPU+Ped0WbNl3SEFzhwf9E] X-Originating-Email: [joeclark77@hotmail.com] From: Joseph Clark To: John Ladasky , "python-list@python.org" Subject: RE: Homework help requested (not what you think!) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:46:15 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <44c11575-2481-4220-9d3c-b53879e9cd8f@googlegroups.com> References: <44c11575-2481-4220-9d3c-b53879e9cd8f@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2013 15:46:15.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFE35330:01CE83CD] X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 80 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1374162446 news.xs4all.nl 15959 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34923 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:50858 Not to open Pandora's box or anything=2C but are you aware of the Roguelike= community (subculture?) (cult?) of game development? Rogue was an old "te= xt-based" role playing game for Unix=2C "text-based" in the sense that it u= sed the console as a 2D map and ASCII characters as graphics. There has be= en a sort of revival of the genre and a lot of amateur game developers have= done some simple or complex variations on the theme. They're not all RPGs= . The category is defined by a few commonalities like procedural content g= eneration. There are very active forums and an extensive wiki. I think these might be= particularly appropriate fodder for a tutoring experience because they are= neatly broken down into bite-sized chunks. One day you could do procedura= l map generation=2C another day AI=2C etc. And all these lessons generaliz= e to the "professional" game development world. Look at this forum: http://forums.roguetemple.com/index.php?board=3D7.0 This wiki: http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=3DMai= n_Page=20 This Python tutorial: http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?= title=3DComplete_Roguelike_Tutorial=2C_using_python%2Blibtcod By the way=2C I tried my hand at Markov chain name generation=2C too. My p= ython code is at https://github.com/joeclark77net/jc77rogue/blob/master/pro= gram/namegen.py and what it does is read a corpus of names and generate new names that soun= d like that corpus. So you feed it a list of Roman names and it will give = you fake names that sound Roman. // joseph w. clark =2C phd =2C visiting research associate \\ university of nebraska at omaha - college of IS&T ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue=2C 16 Jul 2013 15:43:45 -0700 > Subject: Homework help requested (not what you think!) > From: john_ladasky@sbcglobal.net > To: python-list@python.org > > Hi folks=2C > > No=2C I'm not asking for YOU to help ME with a Python homework assignment= ! > > Previously=2C I mentioned that I was starting to teach my son Python. > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.python/I7spp6iC3tw/8lxUXfrL-9gJ > > He just took a course at his high school called Web Technology and Design= . They had the students use tools like Dream Weaver=2C but they also hand-c= oded some HTML and JavaScript. He has a little experience. I am building on= it. > > Well=2C a few other parents caught wind of what I was doing with my son= =2C and they asked me whether I could tutor their kids=2C too. I accepted t= he jobs (for pay=2C actually). > > The kids all claim to be interested. They all want to write the next grea= t 3D video game. Thus=2C I'm a little surprised that the kids don't actuall= y try to sit down and code without me prompting them. I think that they're = disappointed when I show them how much they have to understand just to writ= e a program that plays Tic Tac Toe. > > Where programming is concerned=2C I'm an autodidact. I started programmin= g when I was twelve=2C with little more guidance than the Applesoft Basic m= anual and the occasional issue of Byte Magazine. I hacked away. Over the ye= ars=2C I have acquired a working knowledge of BASIC=2C 6502 assembly langua= ge=2C Pascal=2C C=2C and finally Python (my favorite). If I knew how to imp= art a love of experimentation to my students=2C I would do that. > > One kid looks like he's ready to forge ahead. In the mean time=2C one par= ent has recognized his son's lack of independence=2C and has asked me to as= sign programming homework. I hope it doesn't kill the kid's enthusiasm=2C b= ut I'm willing to try it. > > So=2C what I am seeking are suggestions for programming assignments that = I can give to brand-new students of Python. Please keep in mind that none o= f them are even up to the task of a simple algorithm like Bubble Sort -- at= least=2C not yet. > > Many thanks! > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list =